| 14:55 |
lovejoy2199 |
Greetings everyone |
| 14:56 |
Phrynne |
hello everyone |
| 14:56 |
Ingo (tkb158) |
Hello, all! |
| 14:56 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Hi Jorge. Long time, no see. |
| 14:57 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Hi Larky |
| 14:57 |
Jorge Serapis |
*blows a kiss to everyone and offers handshakes to the heterosexually nervous* |
| 14:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome, lovejoy, Skuld Aki, Gronk, Jorge, Elf, Ingo, Carl, Larky |
| 14:57 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Hi Jorge |
| 14:57 |
Jorge Serapis |
Carl. ;_) lovely to see you. |
| 14:57 |
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Ligeia002 waves |
| 14:57 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Hi Carl. Hi Wordsmith, everyone. |
| 14:57 |
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Carl Metropolitan returns the handshake with tongue just to confuse everyone. |
| 14:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome, Agatha and Calla |
| 14:58 |
Gronk Seriman |
Good evening, everybody! |
| 14:58 |
Jorge Serapis |
Flirt. |
| 14:58 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Buonasera |
| 14:58 |
Calla Iris Waydelich (callidus.waydelich) |
Halaa, Chancellor. |
| 14:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome Kara |
| 14:59 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Hi Kara. |
| 14:59 |
Oxbridge Donation Coin R1 (Alternate Lecture Hall) |
Kara2016 gave a generous donation to help support classes and tutorials at Caledon Oxbridge Gateway. |
| 15:00 |
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Agatha Macbeth ruffles Ingo's mane |
| 15:00 |
Ingo (tkb158) |
puRrrRrRrrrrRrr |
| 15:00 |
Kara2016 |
Smiles brightly. |
| 15:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
TY, Kara |
| 15:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hi Andrea |
| 15:00 |
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Ingo (tkb158) waves and smiles at Sulley |
| 15:00 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Ding ding ding |
| 15:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome, Sulley |
| 15:01 |
Skuld Aki (skuldaki) |
Hi Sulley |
| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
kk Tis time. |
| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome to this week's Caledon Oxbridge Deans' Q&A. This is an open meeting; |
| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
all are welcome apart from those who intend to misbehave in a disruptive manner. |
| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Non-disruptive misbehavior is at your discretion. |
| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Transcripts will be posted after the meeting. |
| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
at http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna/qna_index.php |
| 15:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Phrynne, anything for this week? |
| 15:02 |
Phrynne |
This week has been about updating -- notecards, flowers, trees. All still in process. I am looking for a good big tree (copyable) to replace our very old Forest Floor oaks, but have not found what I want yet. That's about all from me. |
| 15:02 |
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Phrynne looks back at Word |
| 15:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you, Phrynne |
| 15:03 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I have a question for Phrynne. |
| 15:03 |
Phrynne |
yes, Carl? |
| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Please consider replacing the well behind Avatar Movement with a mesh one. The existing one, is a sculpty with weird LOD behavior |
| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It was shiny and new when I got it, but that was ten years ago. |
| 15:05 |
Phrynne |
Actually, there is a well that will be replacing it. It needs a little scripting to make it work properly, but it's coming. It's a wishing well where you could donate anything from 1 Linden up and receive a notecard with a little wisdom on it -- a quotation. |
| 15:05 |
Phrynne |
It's coming. |
| 15:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hey, that's a request, not a question. :P |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Oh great. |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
That has just been bugging me. |
| 15:05 |
Phrynne |
It's probably going to replace one of the fountains that is not working well -- and I've checked, it's all the fountains of that type that aren't working, not just ours. |
| 15:05 |
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Agatha Macbeth hands Mr Carl some bug spray |
| 15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Andrea? |
| 15:06 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The two large ones in the entry garden area are also sculpties, too. Pretty, but showing their age. |
| 15:07 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
The Fundraiser is August the 3rd. I hope to have the art up the week before and have them up the week after. So far I only have 3 participants and I am waiting for art , or to have the artist contact me about setting out their work. If the artist already has their work ready for display. I am letting them rezz it themselves. If I am still short of art by the middle of the week or so next week. I will reconsider the the event. |
| 15:07 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Looks back to Wordsmith |
| 15:08 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you Andrea. |
| 15:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
By the way, Andrea, I had to buy more graphics credits or lose the existing ones, so I've a good number of images for posters I can get. |
| 15:10 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
what are graphics credits? |
| 15:11 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Pre-paid units that can be used to purchase images, the amount depending on the size of the image. |
| 15:11 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Like with stock image sellers? |
| 15:11 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
For things in SL, generally a small size is sufficient -- 2 or 3 credits. |
| 15:12 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Exactly, Carl. |
| 15:12 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
oh, okay. Ty. |
| 15:12 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Pardon me for being dense, but how does that relate to Oxbridge? |
| 15:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Andrea organizes fundraiser events. The events benefit from posters to advertise them. The posters require images. |
| 15:13 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Ah. I understand now. |
| 15:15 |
Kara2016 |
Smiles brightly. |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Like the two I just put up behind me. |
| 15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
If it helps save money in the future, I am very good at finding public domain or free license images. |
| 15:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Okay time for my report. Slightly different presentation format today. Please hold questions until the end (it's not that long) |
| 15:18 |
WSJ |
It has been a rather trying week. Several days back, Desmond Shang pinged me and asked how I felt about making Oxbridge a moderate-rated sim rather than a general-rated one. |
| 15:18 |
WSJ |
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| 15:18 |
WSJ |
I emailed back that I did not support that. As a G-rated sim, 16-17 year olds can come to Oxbridge and go through the tutorial. We can also give them a notecard with links to other G-rated sims. |
| 15:18 |
WSJ |
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| 15:18 |
WSJ |
It turned out that, after reading the 30 June Q&A transcript, an anonymous group of people contacted Des, pressuring him to change the rating of Oxbridge as well as our policy of scanning unknown avatars and their profiles. |
| 15:19 |
WSJ |
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| 15:19 |
WSJ |
They had not first come to Q&A or contacted me to discuss things. |
| 15:19 |
Kara2016 |
*frowns* |
| 15:19 |
WSJ |
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| 15:19 |
WSJ |
I won't accept people trying to run Oxbridge by outside pressure or disrespecting Oxbridge staff. That's a dog that won't hunt for me. |
| 15:19 |
WSJ |
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| 15:19 |
WSJ |
I totally stand behind Oxbridge's staff. They volunteer, they work hard, and they are doing what has been asked of them in accordance with Oxbridge's policies. |
| 15:19 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Thank you, Wordsmith! |
| 15:19 |
Ember (emberell) |
Hear hear. |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Ask Desmond to politely remind them that he DOES NOT run Oxbridge. |
| 15:20 |
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Badass Fae (larkylouz) nods in agreement. |
| 15:20 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
He has, Carl |
| 15:20 |
Kara2016 |
&*applauds* |
| 15:20 |
WSJ |
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| 15:20 |
WSJ |
If something were to be externally forced down Oxbridge's throat that compromised our integrity, I would resign. Fortunately, Des has no intention of doing that. We pay the rent; the decisions are ours. |
| 15:20 |
WSJ |
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| 15:20 |
WSJ |
One of the claimed motivations for the change in rating was the lack of 24/7 staff coverage and the potential for liability. |
| 15:20 |
WSJ |
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| 15:20 |
WSJ |
As of 09 July 2019 there were 1182 G-rated private estates and 2907 total G-rated sims. Among them were the helper sims of: Caledon Oxbridge, Helping Haven, Virtual Ability, Building Brewers, Rockcliffe, and several NCI sims. |
| 15:21 |
WSJ |
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| 15:21 |
WSJ |
There is no indication that I could find that LL currently considers G-rated sims to be a particular legal hazard. This concern is a red herring. |
| 15:21 |
WSJ |
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| 15:21 |
WSJ |
As to scanning of avatars and their profiles: |
| 15:21 |
WSJ |
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| 15:21 |
WSJ |
There is nothing new in the language relating to nudity, weapons, and genitalia. From the Jan 2012 behavior notecard: |
| 15:21 |
WSJ |
• Weapons wielded (even if invisible) and any Health or Combat meters must be removed. This includes Vampire meters. |
| 15:22 |
WSJ |
• Exposed buttocks and/or breasts must be covered. No exposed genitalia, of course, invisible or not. |
| 15:22 |
WSJ |
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| 15:22 |
WSJ |
To implement the (even if invisible) part, Oxbridge Plaza staff use the highlight transparency functionality toggled by Ctrl+Alt+T. |
| 15:22 |
WSJ |
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| 15:22 |
WSJ |
What this does is make any transparency or translucency in a texture opaque and red, thus translucent clothing becomes opaque. It also makes attachments exterior to clothing visible, such as weapons, genitalia, and facelights. |
| 15:22 |
WSJ |
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| 15:22 |
WSJ |
Alpha layer invisibility is not affected. Anyone with weapons in hand or attached genitalia is politely requested to detach them while at Oxbridge. |
| 15:23 |
WSJ |
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| 15:23 |
WSJ |
In the LL maturity levels document, there is a statement that profiles should be G-Rated. I believe from what I have seen of profiles that one can also limit much of the access to them to friends. What is publicly visible is public. |
| 15:23 |
WSJ |
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| 15:23 |
WSJ |
Oxbridge does not attempt to do LL's job for them in ensuring that profiles are G-rated. What we look for is quite specific: age-play groups, graphically explicit content, also some aspects of escorts. As an example I encountered a profile soliciting RL phone sex, RL phone numbers included. |
| 15:23 |
WSJ |
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| 15:24 |
WSJ |
The rules we use are intended to keep Oxbridge as a comfortable and safe space for the most visitors. As with Caledon's covenant, that implies having some restrictions. |
| 15:24 |
WSJ |
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| 15:24 |
WSJ |
I want to keep that in balance, and I believe we are doing a good job at that. I realize all may not agree, but I ask that we remain respectful and civil. |
| 15:24 |
WSJ |
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| 15:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Okay, that's the set part, discussion? questions? |
| 15:25 |
Ember (emberell) |
Allow me to add my two bits to this |
| 15:25 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Just as long as policy compliance monitoring does [not†] involve requiring staff to cam up short skirts to ensure compliance with a "must wear panties" rule it sounds great to me :) [† 2019-07-31: Clarification from Carl Metropolitan on what he had intended to type.]
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| 15:26 |
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Agatha Macbeth checks her clothing |
| 15:26 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
It may no longer be necessary, but would it help if we all documented *all* of our verbal interactions with visitors for a week, to prove how many very positive interactions we have, in comparison to the very few difficult ones? |
| 15:26 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Ember? |
| 15:26 |
Ember (emberell) |
As a tutor who's worked here for a long time helping new users and old alike, the G-rating is a lot more important than just for younger users (though that is a big thing as well that shouldn't be forgotten). If we upgraded to moderate, first and foremost, there would be a significant number of students who, due to the settings on their viewer, could not access our sim for help in the first place |
| 15:26 |
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Ligeia002 searches for panties in her inventory |
| 15:26 |
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Badass Fae (larkylouz) giggles. |
| 15:27 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
i would like to make an addend |
| 15:27 |
Ember (emberell) |
But also, having Oxbridge be a G-rated sim allows us to instruct new users in the standards they should have for exploring SL at large - what they need to keep in mind in other G-rated sims. By teaching them that they are in a safe place, we give them the rules to remain decent and classy in places that are -not- Oxbridge |
| 15:27 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
about that subject |
| 15:27 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It sounds like the "go Moderate" is just a small group of people trying to astroturf the subject. |
| 15:27 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Good points, all, Ember. |
| 15:27 |
Ember (emberell) |
Besides giving people a place where they don't have to worry about being attacked out of nowhere, or even having a sword pointed at them. (Which is something that deeply disturbs me, if I may say, and people often do so because I wear nonstandard avatars, not realizing I don't appreciate it or that it isn't funny to all) |
| 15:28 |
lovejoy2199 |
Astroturf??? Texan. |
| 15:28 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
has been shot for being a Dalek |
| 15:28 |
Ember (emberell) |
I think it's important to remember Oxbridge sets a standard of learning and behavior in Second Life, and by holding people to it, we give them the tools they need (even if they aren't keen on using them) to behave. |
| 15:29 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
its important to set alphas to cover privates parts on mesh body, this way will prevent to show more than you should to others while your avatar is rendering/loading |
| 15:29 |
Jorge Serapis |
I`d also add, we make a point of emphasizing we *are* a safe place to fly to in case of trouble. |
| 15:29 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Also, setting Oxbridge to M would mean that _lots of newcomers would not be able to come here at all_ because they are still in the default G-rating mode. |
| 15:29 |
Ember (emberell) |
And people might never know that if we didn't tell them. They might accidentally expose themselves... And I can tell you how embarrassed I am when I forget -my- dresses |
| 15:29 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes, and again, alphas are not affected by toggling on transparency visibility. |
| 15:30 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Which may be in the interest of whoever suggested that but definitely not in _our interest_ |
| 15:30 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
unfortunately it happens a lot. |
| 15:30 |
Ember (emberell) |
Exactly, Elfbiter. A lot of people don't know how to change that setting. I've helped more than a small handful of people change that setting at Oxbridge, and they never could have had that help to begin with if they couldn't get there |
| 15:30 |
Jorge Serapis |
Word, just how large is this group of complainants..? |
| 15:31 |
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Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) still remembers the time when he had to explain people how to get rid of the "basic account" setting. |
| 15:31 |
Jorge Serapis |
Are we talking in the tens, twenties, etc? |
| 15:31 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
Sandie comes like a blossoming flower in the springtime |
| 15:31 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) |
| 15:31 |
Ember (emberell) |
Anyways. Pardon for going on a tirade a bit. There are a lot of important reasons why keeping Oxbridge a safe G-rated place is a good idea |
| 15:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Jorge, I don't know. Nor do/did I know how much pressure they could exert on Des. All I could sense is that they had decided to play hardball. |
| 15:31 |
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Ligeia002 nods....the group tags |
| 15:31 |
Sandie Harbour |
blushing |
| 15:32 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
blow kisses to Sandie |
| 15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Do you know who "they" are? |
| 15:33 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
For Oxbridge safety, probably best to keep that info to IM, I think. |
| 15:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Only for one and Des was specific that there were more. |
| 15:33 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Sounds like a bunch of rabble-rousing to me! |
| 15:33 |
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Badass Fae (larkylouz) shakes her head. |
| 15:34 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
With an interest of closing Oxbridge? |
| 15:34 |
Jorge Serapis |
So it`s the dreaded anonymous "they". |
| 15:34 |
Ember (emberell) |
Honestly. If people don't like our policies on weapons or personal attachments, the easiest solution is to avoid coming to Oxbridge if they're an important part of their existence in SL |
| 15:34 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And, I suspect, Jorge, that it is around 10 at most. Des did say Caledon old-timers and people not generally flighty. |
| 15:35 |
Ember (emberell) |
Old or new, friend or stranger, I hold every student who comes through Oxbridge to the same rules |
| 15:35 |
Carl Metropolitan |
This just makes no sense. We have been G-rated for ten years and never has anyone had an issue. I suspect that this is about something other than what it appears. |
| 15:35 |
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Ligeia002 wonders how many of them come to campus regularly |
| 15:35 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Elf, I didn't get a message that they wanted to close Oxbridge, just run it. But closing could have been the result. |
| 15:35 |
lovejoy2199 |
Good point. Carl |
| 15:35 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Exactly |
| 15:36 |
Jorge Serapis |
So, forgive me for being dense (to coin a phrase), the issue is "they" don`t want to be policed when they`re in OXbridge and Des floated the M concept to mollify "they"? |
| 15:36 |
Ember (emberell) |
I believe that is the case |
| 15:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And the wording in that hasn't changed in years. The "visible or invisible" phrase was added after the first notecard, was in place by the beginning of 2012, I suspect as it became needed. |
| 15:37 |
Jorge Serapis |
So we can then theorise "they" are just trying to throw their weight around. |
| 15:39 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
They may have a concern. But it seems to be unfounded. |
| 15:39 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Concern my...... |
| 15:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The discussion two weeks ago was about clarifying nudity so that staff is all on the same page and nobody gets excessive. |
| 15:40 |
Ember (emberell) |
I agree that we should have a standard of what "Nudity" means |
| 15:40 |
Jorge Serapis |
Their concern seems to be self centered. |
| 15:40 |
Ember (emberell) |
If we aren't sure, then people will find a way to abuse the vague definitions |
| 15:40 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
yes |
| 15:41 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Well, Oxbridge is not sauna. |
| 15:41 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
:^) |
| 15:41 |
Ember (emberell) |
I we can get a solid definition and put it in the behavior notecard, that would be best - have it written so that someone says "I didn't read that anywhere, I think you're making it up" we can point them to something |
| 15:41 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Without asking any questions, they seemed to have jumped to the conclusion that we were looking at profiles to "purify" Oxbridge. That is very much not the case. |
| 15:41 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
No, Mr. Elfbiter, it is a hot seat! ;^) |
| 15:42 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Who believes profiles anyway? |
| 15:42 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Even with the notecard, they still try to claim we just made it up. Voice of experience... |
| 15:42 |
Jorge Serapis |
I prefer not to use the term "purify", if possible. It has ugly connotations. ['purification' was an accusation made to Des by 'the group'. It is a conspiracy fantasy, not part of any Oxbridge policy, document, or action.] |
| 15:42 |
Ember (emberell) |
I protect Oxbridge. |
| 15:42 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Do our rules say that profiles must be G-rated? |
| 15:42 |
Phrynne |
The Terms of Service says that. |
| 15:42 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
I have never felt such a term represented what we do at Oxbrige, Jorge. |
| 15:42 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Not _our_ rules |
| 15:42 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It likely is not the final phrasing, but Phrynne had told me as a thumbnail she uses nipples and aereola covered and half or more of the total breast. |
| 15:42 |
Phrynne |
We don't duplicate everything in the TOS in our notecards. |
| 15:43 |
Ember (emberell) |
And more thsn half the buttocks, I'd assume |
| 15:43 |
Jorge Serapis |
Me neither, but to bandy it about is distinctly uncomfortable for me. |
| 15:43 |
Phrynne |
All of those. |
| 15:43 |
Agatha Macbeth |
0.0 |
| 15:43 |
Ember (emberell) |
I've had a few -incredibly- short skirts in my time. |
| 15:43 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
I've never tried to get anyone to clean up their profile, unless it was waaay offensive; as in age play, for example. Even escorts, I just tell them not to wear that tag here. |
| 15:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Carl, not the TOS, but the maturity level document |
| 15:43 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Some male are bit indignant (spelling?) when asked to wear a shirt. But that's their problem. |
| 15:43 |
Carl Metropolitan |
That is what I thought. So the issue people have is with the ToS; not Oxbridge. Direct them to Linden Lab customer support :) |
| 15:44 |
Phrynne |
We are a Victorian -era region; men did not go about undressed above the waist in that era. |
| 15:44 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And shirt is very loosely defined, Elf |
| 15:44 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
DO we need a notecard of nude beaches in SL? :-) |
| 15:44 |
Phrynne |
Also, it is manifestly unjust to require women to cover if men do not do it also. |
| 15:44 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
LOL |
| 15:44 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Yes, Phrynne. |
| 15:44 |
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Ligeia002 hands in panties for da mens |
| 15:44 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
I usually say to the effect "put a shirt on, will you" and most comply. |
| 15:45 |
Ember (emberell) |
Yes |
| 15:45 |
Phrynne |
I realize that not all male avatars have as many options with clothing as women do. An open shirt, a t-shirt, a fishnet vest -- they're all at least efforts to respect our rules. |
| 15:46 |
Jorge Serapis |
All avs have a public library of basic clothes to wear, so they have no excuse not to cover up. |
| 15:46 |
Ember (emberell) |
AS long as people are trying, I'll give them a pass (and they're not explicitly revealing) |
| 15:46 |
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Ingo (tkb158) searches his inventory for a t-shits and panties |
| 15:46 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
I do know some sauna landmarks... But at least in one they use Finnish.... |
| 15:46 |
Agatha Macbeth |
T what? :p |
| 15:46 |
Phrynne |
It is most often a problem after someone has been here for a while -- and has an avatar that no longer fits the clothing in the Library part of the Inventory |
| 15:47 |
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Ingo (tkb158) blushes |
| 15:47 |
Ingo (tkb158) |
shrits |
| 15:47 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Most folks manage to be appropriate with a simple reminder. If they're not, it is usually because they're into making a scene. |
| 15:47 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
One recent case tried to claim that because Ravelli's ursine form has no clothes, he should not have a shirt. |
| 15:47 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Okay, the statement from Linden Lab about profiles being G-rated is here: https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/maturity-ratings-r52/#Section__4_2_5 |
| 15:47 |
Phrynne |
However, Ravelli has fur -- and a hat and necktie |
| 15:47 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Yup |
| 15:47 |
Ember (emberell) |
Yes, exactly |
| 15:48 |
Ember (emberell) |
I have scales, and I'm on four legs |
| 15:48 |
Phrynne |
nods |
| 15:48 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Lovely scales they are too |
| 15:48 |
Phrynne |
and I don't think the shirts in your Library fit that [dragon] avatar |
| 15:48 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
LOL Might be funny to try. |
| 15:48 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Well, they do not fit over _this_ body shape most of the time.. |
| 15:48 |
Ember (emberell) |
I tried once... tore the shirt |
| 15:48 |
Ligeia002 |
nudity does not apply to tinnies |
| 15:48 |
Ember (emberell) |
LL wasn't happy |
| 15:49 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Granted, i know one dance place that demands that furries wear clothes. |
| 15:49 |
Ligeia002 |
we haz fur |
| 15:49 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
heeee |
| 15:49 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Never been there. |
| 15:49 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
But it is Finnish place so I know about it. |
| 15:49 |
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Ligeia002 looks to Mr. Elf suspiciously |
| 15:50 |
Sandie Harbour |
I have a beautiful lace gown that Franks says is not G rated |
| 15:50 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Ooh |
| 15:50 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
That's because your grace shines through, Sandie |
| 15:50 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
Frank's has judgments issues |
| 15:50 |
Agatha Macbeth |
:) |
| 15:50 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Or unquenched lust issues |
| 15:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I suspect that Oxbridge would pass it as okay, Sandie. |
| 15:51 |
Kara2016 |
ouch. |
| 15:51 |
Sandie Harbour |
yes |
| 15:51 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
i dont recommend that place for my worst enemy |
| 15:51 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
that place its a disrespect to the people |
| 15:51 |
Kara2016 |
i will not be wearing this outfit. |
| 15:51 |
Phrynne |
I have stopped recommending it since at least one of the Frank's places does not allow Tinies or Dinkies. |
| 15:51 |
Kara2016 |
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155191364@N02/48156238382/in/dateposted-friend/ |
| 15:52 |
Carl Metropolitan |
On the other hand, I think some of the people asking for Oxbridge to be M-rated would be shocked at what you can wear in public and still be M-rated! |
| 15:52 |
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Ember (emberell) nods |
| 15:52 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
they [Franks] also ban you when open events ends |
| 15:52 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
its such a disrespect |
| 15:53 |
Sandie Harbour |
Do we know who "they" are? |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Anyway, as far as I know, any crisis is over, although there are people in the "group" that I am sure are still upset. |
| 15:53 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Yay for drama eh |
| 15:53 |
Ligeia002 |
give em cookies |
| 15:54 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Or cake |
| 15:54 |
Jorge Serapis |
Invite them to take over tier for Oxb so they can lay down the rules. :-/ |
| 15:54 |
Ember (emberell) |
Long story short: Oxbridge should remain G-rated, and the person complaining should take it on themselves to actually learn |
| 15:54 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Thank you for all you've done to keep this from becoming an ongoing crisis, Word! |
| 15:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And if you need a place to go out to that is more accepting (and you like Jazz), The Cellar is nice. |
| 15:55 |
Phrynne |
Also, if someone does have a complaint, or a question, they should talk to Word, not Des. |
| 15:55 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Not too damp hopefully... |
| 15:55 |
Phrynne |
Or talk to me and Word. Whatever works. |
| 15:55 |
Ember (emberell) |
Honestly, yeah. IF there are issues with our staff, or with anything at OXbridge, the deans should be contacted and informed. |
| 15:55 |
Ember (emberell) |
Don't play cloak and dagger -we need to know specifics, or we can't act. |
| 15:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes, if you think there was an instance in which a staff member went beyond policy, talk to Phrynne or Myself. |
| 15:56 |
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Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) thinks about xylophone jazz and shudders |
| 15:56 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Running to Des is, IMNSHO, passive-aggressive. I'm not impressed. |
| 15:57 |
Sandie Harbour |
That is a big acronym,! |
| 15:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
If some don't understand what we are trying to do, either one of us will take the time to discuss and explain. |
| 15:57 |
Ember (emberell) |
Really, when it comes to policy around here, as long as you approach us with some tact and decorum, we'll answer clearly and honestly |
| 15:57 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
SMYIAMIP |
| 15:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And, of course, there is something called Q&A (who knew?) |
| 15:58 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Sandie, My Not So Humble Opinion |
| 15:58 |
Ligeia002 |
so passing the kinkies go nasty. Is da begging fer food okis? |
| 15:58 |
lovejoy2199 |
Herra Skysmith: MJQ *smile* |
| 15:58 |
Phrynne |
No begging at Oxbridge, sorry. |
| 15:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Cookies? Waffles? |
| 15:58 |
Sandie Harbour |
My favorite acronym is TLA |
| 15:59 |
Ligeia002 |
yus...you owe me like a tonz |
| 15:59 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
?? |
| 15:59 |
Sandie Harbour |
It stands for Three Letter Acronym! |
| 15:59 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It might help to clarify that we don't enforce LL's rules for them save in limited circumstances. I.e., Oxbridge staff are not going to be playing "naughty group name police" with visitors, perhaps? |
| 15:59 |
Ligeia002 |
and me wold like to discuss the vendorz of da food...dat would be a good upgrade |
| 15:59 |
Ember (emberell) |
We do make sure that guests to Oxbridge are not wearing explicit group titles |
| 16:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I said that in my presentation Carl. |
| 16:00 |
Kara2016 |
vendors for food? |
| 16:00 |
Ligeia002 |
yesh |
| 16:00 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
I have warned newcomers with certain kinds of names that they may be ARd out of SL. |
| 16:00 |
Kara2016 |
*blinks* |
| 16:01 |
Phrynne |
Some people get accounts with names that are jokes to them but are offensive to others. |
| 16:01 |
Phrynne |
When that happens, I ask them to go back and start over with a new name -- and AR the name they have. |
| 16:01 |
Phrynne |
And by offensive I mean racist, bigoted and ignorant. |
| 16:01 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Some are not really aware of what their name means.... |
| 16:01 |
Ligeia002 |
most of the time newcomers do not have tags on display on |
| 16:02 |
Phrynne |
A lot acquire group tags from joining groups on the Help or Social islands -- and they don't realize that the group's tag is on them. |
| 16:02 |
Ligeia002 |
and do not know what they are wearing, or they did not know...ar least |
| 16:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Any other topics that anyone wants to ask a question about? |
| 16:02 |
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Ligeia002 nods |
| 16:03 |
Ember (emberell) |
Not to change the topic too much, but I was talking with professor Kidd the other day. has it been discussed to change the Oxbridge village dressing rooms to be privacy enabled? |
| 16:03 |
Ember (emberell) |
I'm not sure if that's something that's been brought up before. |
| 16:03 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
What does that mean? |
| 16:03 |
Ember (emberell) |
So you can't see people inside them from outside |
| 16:03 |
Carl Metropolitan |
A woman rezzed here with the display name of "slut" a few days ago. I was waiting for her to exit the cathedral to explain why that name might not be the best choice, but then she vanished. |
| 16:04 |
Ember (emberell) |
I'll often IM those individuals directly, Carl |
| 16:04 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Oh, people camming in? You can't see through the walls, unless you cam in. |
| 16:04 |
Ember (emberell) |
Yeah |
| 16:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
That would require parceling them off. |
| 16:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The only way I know of doing that is by parcel cutting. |
| 16:04 |
Ember (emberell) |
It was an interesting thought, and I have had students ask whether there aren't more private options. |
| 16:04 |
Ember (emberell) |
I figured I'd raise the point here |
| 16:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And that could have consequences on the surface. |
| 16:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And that would allow people to "hide" from others on the ground by stepping into those parcels as they would vanish |
| 16:05 |
Ember (emberell) |
Yeah |
| 16:05 |
Ember (emberell) |
That's why I didn't recommend the ones on campus |
| 16:05 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
I can see two views on that. There used to be private dressing rooms at Builders Brewery and The Shelter, but both of them currently have issues. I assume they will be back eventually. |
| 16:05 |
Ember (emberell) |
It's a shame we can't modify it based on height |
| 16:05 |
Phrynne |
Personally, if they were parceled off like that, it would make it much harder for me to tell if someone had an Uzi up there, or was having sex there, or similar things -- and yes, both of those have happened. |
| 16:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Yes. If they want more private options, they can buy some damn land and stop bitching. |
| 16:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It doesn't affect mini-map dots, however. |
| 16:05 |
Ember (emberell) |
Yeah, that was my argument as well, Phrynne |
| 16:05 |
Ember (emberell) |
the ones on campus at least NEED to be visible so we can see potential issues |
| 16:06 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Last night, the mini map wasn't showing avatars. I have no idea why. I could see myself, but not visitors I was talking to. |
| 16:06 |
Ember (emberell) |
People try to do unsavory things up there... or accidentally wear their yachts and don't know how to undo it |
| 16:06 |
Phrynne |
Parceling the ones that are here, in the Village, would mean that people on the ground would walk in and out of view when they cross the parcels. |
| 16:06 |
Phrynne |
it's not a very large parcel with the chat circle. And this building. |
| 16:06 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
I think avatars need to learn how skyboxes like that work. It's part of SL; or at least, part of Oxbridge. |
| 16:07 |
Ember (emberell) |
Yes. It's a good teaching experience either way |
| 16:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
With that, I believe it is time that we are |
| 16:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
adjourned. |
| 16:07 |
Carl Metropolitan |
If they are visible from the ground it destroys the illusion of privacy. |
| 16:07 |
Jorge Serapis |
*needs to turn in RL so waves to everyone good night!* |
| 16:07 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Bye Jorge |
| 16:08 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Thanks again for all your time and energy on this, Word. And Phrynne. |
| 16:08 |
Phrynne |
Thank you all for coming |
| 16:08 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you all for coming and participating. I'll try to get the transcript up later today. |
| 16:08 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
G'night, Jorge. Thanks for your points. |
| 16:08 |
Ember (emberell) |
As always, thank you for everything you do, Deans |
| 16:08 |
Ingo (tkb158) |
Yes, thank you all very much |
| 16:08 |
Gronk Seriman |
Thank you, Deans! |
| 16:09 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Goodnight |
| 16:09 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
bisous |
| 16:09 |
Eva Gaelle (jucastt) |
have a good week |
| 16:09 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Well, still hosting the WRiters' Meeting :-) |
| 16:09 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
bye all |
| 16:09 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
But I do have to try to get some sleep |
| 16:09 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
ty for coming |
| 16:09 |
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Ligeia002 pouts, noms cookie and pufs |
| 16:09 |
Ingo (tkb158) |
See you all! |
| 16:09 |
Kara2016 |
Thank you Deans. Good night and have a wonderful week. |