| 14:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hi, Andrea |
| 14:59 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
crystal chair was too much. hi |
| 14:59 |
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Phrynne considered using the Throne of Skulls or the Dragon Throne but those were too much for a small panda |
| 15:00 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
had death and skull chairs etc |
| 15:00 |
Fɪɴᴀ 小霜 (sapphira.franizzi) |
What about the Iron Throne? |
| 15:00 |
Caladon Rae'thiel (saeldurrae) |
It would be interesting to see, however. |
| 15:00 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
not sure where it got off to in inventory. |
| 15:01 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
maybe gone now |
| 15:01 |
Phrynne |
TheDragon throne has Dragon guarding it. But I suspect he's needed elsewhere today |
| 15:01 |
Gronk Seriman |
I have an electric chair or two.... |
| 15:01 |
Phrynne |
*Drogon |
| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Time to Start |
| 15:01 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
...... |
| 15:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome to this week's Caledon Oxbridge Deans' Q&A. This is an open meeting; |
| 15:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
all are welcome apart from those who intend to misbehave in a disruptive manner. |
| 15:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Non-disruptive misbehavior is at your discretion. |
| 15:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Transcripts will be posted after the meeting. |
| 15:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
at http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna/qna_index.php |
| 15:02 |
Oxbridge Donation Coin R1 (Alternate Lecture Hall) |
Kara2016 gave a generous donation to help support classes and tutorials at Caledon Oxbridge Gateway. |
| 15:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome and ty Kara |
| 15:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Phrynne, do you have anything from this last week? |
| 15:02 |
Kara2016 |
Smiles brightly. |
| 15:02 |
Phrynne |
I was away traveling for much of it but I do have one thing... |
| 15:03 |
Phrynne |
I am looking for people to donate something that we can give away during the Advent Calendar. |
| 15:03 |
Phrynne |
Usually I have a dozen or so things as backup — in case something goes wrong, or a gift doesn't work out — and they're all gone. |
| 15:03 |
Phrynne |
So we are starting from scratch this year to come up with 24 gifts. |
| 15:03 |
Fɪɴᴀ 小霜 (sapphira.franizzi) |
is that Christmas? |
| 15:03 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Oh |
| 15:03 |
Phrynne |
I have a few, and a few people have offered, but not near enough yet. |
| 15:04 |
Phrynne |
Yes -- the Calendar runs from Dec. 1-Dec. 24, with a new gift each day. |
| 15:04 |
Phrynne |
so... |
| 15:04 |
Phrynne |
if you would like to make or donate something, please contact me. |
| 15:04 |
Fɪɴᴀ 小霜 (sapphira.franizzi) |
I have one ^^ I'll IM you |
| 15:04 |
Phrynne |
The theme this year is "Vintage" — which I am taking to be anything before WWI — but general gifts for any year-end holiday are great. |
| 15:05 |
Phrynne |
No recycled hunt gifts, please. |
| 15:05 |
Phrynne |
And that is about all. |
| 15:05 |
Phrynne |
thank you, Fina |
| 15:05 |
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Agatha Macbeth ponders a recycled hunt |
| 15:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
By gone, I believe Phrynne means already used, not lost from inventory. |
| 15:05 |
Phrynne |
Yes — used over the past few years. Also, some of the things that were good to use five years ago are so outdated now that they aren't up to it. |
| 15:06 |
Phrynne |
(such as very old high-prim-count furniture) |
| 15:06 |
Phrynne |
Newer is better than older, low-LI is better than high-LI. |
| 15:07 |
Phrynne |
and something you make yourself is wonderful. |
| 15:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And an aspect of the Oxbridge advent "calendar" is that once available, items stay available until January. You really can get them all. |
| 15:07 |
Agatha Macbeth |
High LI unlikely |
| 15:07 |
Phrynne |
Oh- yes-- it also has to be copy-trans, at least, or else the gift box won't give it out. |
| 15:08 |
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Wordsmith Jarvinen Thinks of making an alt named Li, so people can say Hi to her. |
| 15:08 |
Caladon Rae'thiel (saeldurrae) |
Hah |
| 15:08 |
Agatha Macbeth |
I know a Dr Hu |
| 15:08 |
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Brenda (brendaharden) giggles |
| 15:08 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you, Phrynne. |
| 15:08 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Andrea? |
| 15:09 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
In continuance of the new bi weekly fund raiser events. We will be having a COU Fund raiser event this coming Sunday the 19th. Time for it is 4 to 6, after the Q&A. It will be DJed By Cynthia Farshore at her Goblin cave. The theme is Spring has sprung. So wear your Spring clothes and join us at the event. Donations are not required to attend, and you do not have to dress in theme. |
| 15:09 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Notice later tonight with the LM's be watching the COU groups |
| 15:09 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
That is all for now |
| 15:10 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
oh yes |
| 15:10 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Tuesday night the Caledonian nights group will be having a dance |
| 15:10 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
We are going to try and have it in a homestead this week, |
| 15:11 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
We will be at a giants house, the theme is big things in a big world |
| 15:11 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
you do not need to be big, just yourself |
| 15:11 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
there are notices in the groups |
| 15:11 |
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Wordsmith Jarvinen As long as this isn't a remake of Godzilla versus Bambi. |
| 15:12 |
Phrynne |
oww |
| 15:12 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It was a smashing hit. |
| 15:12 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
coming early and exploring the house might be preferable, or there is a LM in the notecard in the notice to take you to the second floor porch. |
| 15:12 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
That is all |
| 15:13 |
Sulley Daviau |
so i will be EXTRA relatively small there :) |
| 15:13 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
nods |
| 15:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you, Andrea |
| 15:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Good things can come in small "packages". |
| 15:13 |
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Sulley Daviau nods :) |
| 15:13 |
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Brenda (brendaharden) smiles |
| 15:14 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Having been away at a RL conference for much of the last week, I don't have anything new this week. |
| 15:14 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So open for general questions, comments, and announcements. |
| 15:15 |
Sulley Daviau |
i have a brief comment |
| 15:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Go ahead, Sulley. |
| 15:16 |
Sulley Daviau |
as you may remember - it's been awhile sry - I am away a lot for work - but previously I mentioned i would review the foreign aids for new avis |
| 15:16 |
Sulley Daviau |
which I have mostly completed |
| 15:16 |
Sulley Daviau |
for Oxbridge for example |
| 15:16 |
Sulley Daviau |
there are welcome signs for Portuguese, Italian, Spanish, and French I believe |
| 15:16 |
Sulley Daviau |
NCI (New Citizens' Inc.) also has Japanese |
| 15:17 |
Sulley Daviau |
tho - NCI's flags are harder to find actually |
| 15:17 |
Sulley Daviau |
It brings up the point of would Japanese new avis actually be vectored via Caledon |
| 15:18 |
Sulley Daviau |
As you may know - I am half Japanese - so this particular point is germane to my interests |
| 15:18 |
Phrynne |
There are several Japanese newcomer areas. |
| 15:18 |
Sulley Daviau |
I traced the welcome vectors for new avis |
| 15:18 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Yay |
| 15:18 |
Sulley Daviau |
yes |
| 15:18 |
Phrynne |
I am not sure how many come to Oxbridge. |
| 15:18 |
Sulley Daviau |
The Japanese welcome area has a welcome avis all day |
| 15:19 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Sulley, I can catch up on visitor statistics which will give data for the last months. |
| 15:19 |
Sulley Daviau |
anyway - to make a long story short |
| 15:19 |
Sulley Daviau |
i might recommend adding a couple of additional language signs |
| 15:19 |
Sulley Daviau |
relative to avi population vectors and frequency |
| 15:19 |
Sulley Daviau |
specifically - |
| 15:20 |
Sulley Daviau |
i recommend adding German and Japanese |
| 15:20 |
Sulley Daviau |
no particular rush on this |
| 15:20 |
Sulley Daviau |
but just something to think about |
| 15:20 |
Phrynne |
I think we may have German already. Also Russian. |
| 15:20 |
Sulley Daviau |
oh = yes you are right |
| 15:20 |
Sulley Daviau |
we have Russian |
| 15:20 |
Sulley Daviau |
i do not speak Russian so didn't research that one sorry |
| 15:20 |
Fɪɴᴀ 小霜 (sapphira.franizzi) |
Japanese does seem to be like, on the rise |
| 15:20 |
Phrynne |
Each of those signs holds notecards translating the Behavior notecard and some other helpful things in the language the flag represents. |
| 15:20 |
Ingo (tkb158) |
Da |
| 15:20 |
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Sulley Daviau nods |
| 15:21 |
Phrynne |
But to add another flag we would have to have someone translate information into Japanese. |
| 15:21 |
Sulley Daviau |
the NCI card for Japanese is .. well.. pretty lame actually |
| 15:21 |
Sulley Daviau |
I can assist with the Japanese translation |
| 15:21 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
While I'm behind (severely), monthly visitor data from last year is available at http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/statistics/index.php |
| 15:22 |
Sulley Daviau |
anyway thank you and sorry i spoke too long |
| 15:22 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
You didn't speak too long. |
| 15:23 |
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Ingo (tkb158) thinks Skulley always speaks short |
| 15:23 |
Ingo (tkb158) |
And that she's fluent in short |
| 15:24 |
Sulley Daviau |
very fluent in short. *stands on her tip toes* |
| 15:24 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Still hosting the Writers' Meeting in Thursday's 11:00 AM |
| 15:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I likely mentioned this last time, but the Oxbridge staff translator is now operating on a new, neural network based system which will hopefully give better translations. |
| 15:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you for your input and perspective, Sulley. :) |
| 15:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And thanks for running the writers meeting, Elf. |
| 15:25 |
JackCulinane |
I have a question |
| 15:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Jack? |
| 15:26 |
JackCulinane |
Does the "other helpful information" on those flag notecards include landmarks to centers where the appropriate language is spoken? |
| 15:27 |
Phrynne |
No, it doesn't. |
| 15:27 |
JackCulinane |
Why not? |
| 15:27 |
Phrynne |
it includes notecards on helpful keyboard shortcuts, Second Life safety, and behavior at Caledon University |
| 15:28 |
Sulley Daviau |
it does for the NCI flags - i followed the links and the ones i tried all worked |
| 15:28 |
Phrynne |
Each flag holds these, translated to the language represented. |
| 15:28 |
Fɪɴᴀ 小霜 (sapphira.franizzi) |
I should check those out sometime ^^ |
| 15:28 |
Phrynne |
but I am not the one who put up those flags. Those are Lindal Kidd's, as Dean of Information. |
| 15:29 |
Phrynne |
I helped by finding translators for the information and sending it to her. |
| 15:29 |
JackCulinane |
Why not just ship them off to a tutorial where they can read the language? |
| 15:29 |
Phrynne |
We do that, when they want to go. |
| 15:29 |
Phrynne |
Not everyone wants to be "shipped off". |
| 15:29 |
Phrynne |
I keep a notecard for staff members of all known newcomer areas in other languages. |
| 15:30 |
Sulley Daviau |
the foreign welcome areas are of variable quality.. the Japanese one is .. more or less empty but does have useful info. the Portuguese / Brazilian one is very busy but is mostly a shopping area |
| 15:30 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And, a lot of the other language help centers have been less than stable. |
| 15:30 |
Phrynne |
And, to be honest, some of them have moved around so frequently and changed their abilities to help that it is very difficult to be current. |
| 15:30 |
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Sulley Daviau nods |
| 15:31 |
Phrynne |
the major German one that we used is now a build that looks like a city, with a sandbox and dressing rooms and no help whatsoever, or people to help. |
| 15:31 |
Fɪɴᴀ 小霜 (sapphira.franizzi) |
sounds like SL... |
| 15:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There's a fair amount of time and effort impedance in the implementation. |
| 15:31 |
Sulley Daviau |
yes - it's a shame SL doesn't have better foreign welcome areas... |
| 15:32 |
Sulley Daviau |
that precise point disincentivizes a lot of foreign avis who give up before learning more about SL |
| 15:32 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes. And the one's that exist are generally private efforts without a lot of financial resources. |
| 15:32 |
Gronk Seriman |
I have always been angry about how SL wants to be International, yet puts so little effort into it. |
| 15:33 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Heh |
| 15:34 |
Gronk Seriman |
I honestly think SL expects the users to do their job in that aspect. |
| 15:34 |
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Fɪɴᴀ 小霜 (sapphira.franizzi) listens with interest |
| 15:35 |
Phrynne |
I've always thought that the best thing about SL is not what Linden Labs provides, but what the people who come here do to make it better. |
| 15:35 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I believe I can reuse the physical build from our VWBPE exhibit for SL16B, which gives me more time to work on the multi-lingual tutorial posters. |
| 15:35 |
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Agatha Macbeth nods |
| 15:37 |
Sulley Daviau |
i agree totally with Phrynne - but - a lot of foreign avis don't stay long enough to figure that out because the structure for supporting them is so vanilla. it takes a while to network - especially if you in a niche foreign group with relatively limited numbers of avis routinely online |
| 15:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Anyway, we have our own language efforts underway. |
| 15:38 |
Phrynne |
The other problem -- which I do not believe we can fix -- is that translation services for non-European languages are spotty in quality, at best. I hope they improve; I wish they were better now. |
| 15:38 |
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Sulley Daviau nods |
| 15:38 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
And some European languages as well.. |
| 15:38 |
Phrynne |
so if someone comes to Oxbridge and only speaks Japanese, and I use a translator to talk to them, I cannot be sure of how much the translation reflects what I am saying. |
| 15:39 |
Sulley Daviau |
lol yes - the Google and other online Japanese translators are awful |
| 15:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
On the humorous side, the staff translator sends me an email if it encounters an unknown language. The other day I got a message from one of the translators that "C" was an unknown language. |
| 15:39 |
Phrynne |
We had several groups of Chinese students come through a while back, and that was a real challenge. One person out of sixty spoke to us. |
| 15:39 |
Agatha Macbeth |
I'd imagine the Chinese ones are pretty awful too |
| 15:39 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Snap |
| 15:39 |
Fɪɴᴀ 小霜 (sapphira.franizzi) |
oh... do foreign language speakers not stay because of the language barrier? |
| 15:40 |
Phrynne |
I think the Chinese students have their own region... somewhere. None of those coming through were wearing newcomer avatars. |
| 15:40 |
Phrynne |
Second Life has more than 23,800 regions; there could be several Chinese-language-only regions and we'd never know it. |
| 15:40 |
Sulley Daviau |
all of my Japanese friends stay almost exclusively in Japanese sims |
| 15:41 |
Phrynne |
When someone comes to Oxbridge who does not speak English, we try as well as we can to help them -- whether that means offering them help through a translator, or helping them to go to a region where help is offered in their own language. |
| 15:41 |
Sulley Daviau |
if you haven't been to a Japanese sim btw - i highly recommend it.. they are very different from European sims.. .in many ways |
| 15:42 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
I have always checked if there is a related group somewhere |
| 15:42 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Agreed |
| 15:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Any matters other than languages? |
| 15:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hearing none, |
| 15:43 |
Kara2016 |
*raises hand* |
| 15:44 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Kara? |
| 15:44 |
Kara2016 |
I had to rez a sky box last weekend.. |
| 15:44 |
Kara2016 |
and when i placed it back into my inventory, i had too do it one piece at a time |
| 15:44 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
nods |
| 15:45 |
Kara2016 |
it was not linked..so, can i still use "restore too previous position too put everything back? |
| 15:45 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
If it was one linked object, that shouldn't have been the case. |
| 15:46 |
Kara2016 |
and then link everything? |
| 15:46 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Sounds like a horribly fiddly job |
| 15:47 |
Kara2016 |
if not, i will have too rez another and delete the old one. |
| 15:47 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There are limitations on linking. Everything has to be owned by one person and the centers of all the items have to be within a 54 meter sphere (distance) |
| 15:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
To get around this, some sellers use a rez box, which rezzes the items which then position themselves relative to the rez box. |
| 15:48 |
Gronk Seriman |
Sounds like the skybox was generated by a "rezzer" that spit out all the parts into an area, but none were linked. So the final product wasn't a complete, whole thing. |
| 15:48 |
Fɪɴᴀ 小霜 (sapphira.franizzi) |
oh yes... rezzers do buildings in parts |
| 15:48 |
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Ingo (tkb158) nods |
| 15:49 |
Kara2016 |
no rezzer..just an object pulled out of my inventory. |
| 15:49 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
If all the items are selected and taken at one time, they go into inventory as a "coalesce" which can be rerezzed as one object. |
| 15:50 |
Sulley Daviau |
sry crashed |
| 15:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
If they were taken in one at a time, then in FS I believe you could rerezz and position one item at a time. |
| 15:50 |
Kara2016 |
ok. |
| 15:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But that could be tedious. |
| 15:51 |
Agatha Macbeth |
Very |
| 15:51 |
Kara2016 |
Yes, i know..it was tedious clicking them one at a time to take back into inventory. |
| 15:52 |
Kara2016 |
The outer layer of the sky box in a moon. |
| 15:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So, if you can just rez a new one, that likely is better. |
| 15:53 |
Kara2016 |
I will try that, thank you, WordSmith |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
You can limit your selection distance and then edit multiple items in a golden square. |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
(I suggest limit, so you don't select and delete anything you have in the distance) |
| 15:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
In the LL viewer that's under the Advanced menu. I'm sure FS has something similar. |
| 15:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Anything else? |
| 15:55 |
Sulley Daviau |
i just wanted to add a quick thank you to Andrea for hosting so many very fun dances and DJ events lately with Piper |
| 15:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Good point, Sulley. |
| 15:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Anything else? |
| 15:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hearing nothing, |
| 15:56 |
Kara2016 |
Thank you, Deans |
| 15:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
we are adjourned. |
| 15:56 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
thank you for coming, have a great Sunday night |
| 15:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you all for coming and participating. |
| 15:57 |
Phrynne |
If you have time, go visit the Raglan Shire Art Walk, and revel in the wonderful artwork! |
| 15:57 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
a fresh notice on the cancer remembrance pool will go out shortly |
| 15:57 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Bedime for me |
| 15:57 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
night eb.slep well |
| 15:58 |
Kara2016 |
if all goes well..there will be a new moon over KittiWickShire. |
| 15:58 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Hold the fort |