| 15:00 |
Gronk Seriman |
We have more Chancellors than Deans. Typical top-heavy college. |
| 15:00 |
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Gronk Seriman smiles |
| 15:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Hello everyone. |
| 15:01 |
Heart Scorn (heartscorn1110) |
hello there mr metropolitan |
| 15:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Think of it more like the topping on ice cream, Miss Gronk. The underlying deanship(s) are still there. |
| 15:03 |
Phrynne |
does that make us cones? |
| 15:03 |
Gronk Seriman |
Ooo! I hope we DO talk about the horses in the room. |
| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I can go take a nap |
| 15:04 |
Fidget (fidgetswidgets) |
Fudge and gummy worms. mmmmm. Yay toppings. |
| 15:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Horses? There are horses? |
| 15:04 |
Phrynne |
Neigh. |
| 15:04 |
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Badass Fae (larkylouz) (s)nickers |
| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Welcome to Q&A With the Deans. You know the drill. Reports, Questions, and Comments. |
| 15:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That's nickers, Fae. |
| 15:05 |
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Phrynne snorts. |
| 15:05 |
Fidget (fidgetswidgets) |
I do not see knickers on that horse. |
| 15:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
nm I see you have that. |
| 15:05 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Don't get your knickers in a twist, there, Wordsmith! |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I have nothing to report for the week, as I spent much of it out of SL and in RL for personal reasons mostly related to work and being down. There is an issue that I do need to raise in regards to Linden Lab though. |
| 15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And, with all of that as a lede, we start the Deans' Q&A. |
| 15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome all. |
| 15:06 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Phrynne will have more on it, so lets start with her. |
| 15:07 |
Phrynne |
I have a few things today |
| 15:07 |
Phrynne |
There are some more freebies in the Railroad Station and on the white gazebo, including an Italian-style Pinnochio avatar, a set of pirate outfits and a bird you can fly on. |
| 15:07 |
Phrynne |
And in other animal related news, |
| 15:08 |
Phrynne |
we have a group of rabbits celebrating the holidays in various places at Oxbridge this week. |
| 15:08 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
look out for elmer fudd |
| 15:08 |
Phrynne |
However, the purple kraken that has been occasionally seen peering toward the dressing rooms and fluttering around has been reunited with its owner. |
| 15:08 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
And gazebo is still not a threat :-) |
| 15:09 |
Phrynne |
Nobody knows how the purple kraken managed to get away from Caledon OnSea, or why it decided to migrate here to look at people. |
| 15:09 |
Phrynne |
Nyree Rain, who owns it, says that it is friendly and harmless and likes to give people rides. |
| 15:09 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
now i can't study it any more |
| 15:09 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
:( |
| 15:09 |
Phrynne |
so perhaps someone took a ride on it and it couldn't find its way home. |
| 15:09 |
Phrynne |
She has taken it back to her tower on Caledon OnSea, and you can always visit it there. |
| 15:09 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Unlike the sky kraken around Middlesea. Those are hostile. |
| 15:09 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
yes |
| 15:10 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
and different species of krakken |
| 15:10 |
Phrynne |
This one is purple with a chrysanthemum head -- different species |
| 15:10 |
Phrynne |
Anyway, it is not likely to be startlingpeople changing clothes any more. |
| 15:10 |
Phrynne |
And that's all I have for now. |
| 15:11 |
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Badass Fae (larkylouz) hums "Part of your World", in memory of the Kraken. |
| 15:11 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Do you want to talk about the LL age limit changes? |
| 15:11 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Since, this will be quick and Carl's discussion my be lengthy, good progress has been made toward replacing horses and carreages. |
| 15:12 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Excellent news. |
| 15:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Rainy has done the basic model of a horse, not yet subdivided to be able to animate the pieces. |
| 15:13 |
Gronk Seriman |
I like the black one. With a few steam pipes, it could be a robo-horse. |
| 15:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
They seem to well capture horse essence. |
| 15:14 |
Dinkies Catnip lollipop (wear) |
Too much of a good thing is GOOD |
| 15:14 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
cool |
| 15:14 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
lol phrynne |
| 15:14 |
Carl Metropolitan |
They look like they could be steam horses. |
| 15:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
While she continues work on those, my focus is finishing CAT scripting, schedule scripting changes to get to the newer interface, and horses following. |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So, we're beyond vapor horse. |
| 15:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Carl, carry on. |
| 15:17 |
Gronk Seriman |
Yay! |
| 15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The major news appears to be the LL has changed the terms of service to allow people 13 and up into any G-rated sim in SL |
| 15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
This seems to be a stealth change, or something that LL did without realizing it. |
| 15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is contradicted by the SL wiki, but the ToS would override taht |
| 15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
that |
| 15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Phynne discovered this issue and did a lot of research on it. |
| 15:19 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
http://www.lindenlab.com/tos#tos3 |
| 15:19 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Interesting... |
| 15:19 |
Batista Corleone (batistacorleone) |
Update us plese - what was the OLD procedure? |
| 15:19 |
Phrynne |
There are changes to the TOS, to the Teen Safety Guidelines, and to the Privacy Policy. |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The major problem as it might affect us (as far as I can see) is that LL encourages teens to AR people who ask about their age. So the upshot is that if you try to identify teens to help with with the potential dangers of SL, you might get ARed as a pervert. |
| 15:20 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Is that a correct summary of the issue, Phyrnne? |
| 15:20 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The old procedure was 16+ for general areas. 13-15 only in special organization areas and estate limited. |
| 15:20 |
Phrynne |
That's a good part of it. |
| 15:20 |
Batista Corleone (batistacorleone) |
TY |
| 15:20 |
Phrynne |
I am asking all staff who need to find out an avatar's age to do so only in IM. |
| 15:20 |
Phrynne |
because there is no way to know who else might teleport in at any time. |
| 15:21 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Sounds sensible. |
| 15:21 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
but will that keep us from being ARed |
| 15:21 |
Carl Metropolitan |
They could AR the IMs. |
| 15:21 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I am worried about this exposing our staff to ARs for no good reason. |
| 15:21 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
so really a don't ask don't tell policy is in order? |
| 15:21 |
Phrynne |
I think the ARs are unlikely, honestly |
| 15:22 |
Phrynne |
Simply because these are kids who don't know how to walk yet, let alone figure out how to use the viewer. |
| 15:22 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
It is my understanding that anything text-based is available to LL on their servers. |
| 15:22 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I am worried enough that I'm thinking about proposing a change to a M-rated sim for Oxbridge. But I'm not going to go there unless this does become a problem. |
| 15:22 |
Carl Metropolitan |
That's correct, Larky |
| 15:22 |
Phrynne |
We ask in order to help people find appropriate places within SL to go. |
| 15:22 |
Phrynne |
that's why we keep notecards of LMs to places that are General-rated only. |
| 15:23 |
Phrynne |
If I know that someone is very young, is not going to read the tutorial, but wants fun and adventure, I can send them to the Portal Park, where they can do treasure hunts and chase dinosaurs. |
| 15:23 |
Phrynne |
I need to say, also, that we have been getting younger avatars for at least six months. |
| 15:23 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Phyrnne do you mind if I uses some of your emails in a notecard to the HEQ groups? I want to see if anyone else has notices this, or found something to contradict the apparent rule change. |
| 15:24 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
It is certainly possible to say, "If you're under 18, you can't go there." Is that really likely to get someone AR'd? |
| 15:24 |
Phrynne |
The average age is 11-12, though we had a 9-year-old this wee. |
| 15:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
In some ways, the TOS now create a quandary. The set out expectations based on age. So one would need to know age. On the other hand, they don't distinguish age from other personal information. |
| 15:24 |
Phrynne |
Two things you need to know: nowhere in the TOS is there any indication of any third-party responsibility for anything. |
| 15:25 |
Phrynne |
LL does not give a warranty of any kind for how anyone else in here treats you. |
| 15:25 |
Phrynne |
and that is said explicitly. |
| 15:25 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I would personally hate to have to close off Oxbridge to anyone under 18, but I don't want to get our people in trouble. |
| 15:25 |
Phrynne |
I do not see that it would be necessary to do that unless we were to get hordes of small children. |
| 15:25 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
So we should give out only the grated sims nc. |
| 15:25 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
all i have anyway |
| 15:26 |
Phrynne |
The only contract with LL is between the individual and LL, not any other individuals, except for copyright issues. That's throughout the TOS. |
| 15:26 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
And people willing to AR; in my experience, a lot of folks refuse to do do. That could work in our favor, in a warped sort of way. |
| 15:26 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
*do so |
| 15:26 |
Phrynne |
Oxbridge is already one of the safer places for younger people in SL. |
| 15:26 |
Phrynne |
We do chase off escorts, and keep an eye out for people harassing visitors. |
| 15:27 |
Phrynne |
I have been ARing anyone who has any ageplay groups when they show up in Oxbridge -- you do not have to confront the person, just file an AR with the group description copied into the form. |
| 15:27 |
Phrynne |
and I plan to write a notecard about that for staff. |
| 15:28 |
Carl Metropolitan |
How can you tell if something is an ageplay group? Are they blatant about it in the description? |
| 15:28 |
Phrynne |
Some are very blatant. |
| 15:28 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Oh wow. |
| 15:28 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
If they are part of the group, that's very obious sign |
| 15:28 |
Phrynne |
They discuss sex, daddy, babygirl, mature, teen |
| 15:28 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I thought LL has stamped most of that out. |
| 15:28 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Some practically boast about it. |
| 15:28 |
Phrynne |
They only go after it if somone sends in an AR |
| 15:28 |
Phrynne |
and the ARs are anonymous |
| 15:28 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
there's plenty of Daddy/BabyGirl groups |
| 15:28 |
Phrynne |
there is no way the person who is AR'd will come after you |
| 15:29 |
Phrynne |
there are also incest groups, so-described |
| 15:29 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
LL has purged number of ageplay groups lately, Including the accounts related to them. |
| 15:29 |
Phrynne |
It does make a difference. |
| 15:29 |
Carl Metropolitan |
LL has also purged a number of people selling bestiality related content on Marketplace. |
| 15:29 |
Phrynne |
and doing so is no threat to anyone who files an AR. |
| 15:30 |
Phrynne |
We want Oxbridge to stay a safe place, and keeping predators out of it is part of that. |
| 15:30 |
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Phrynne bunny gets fierce. |
| 15:31 |
Carl Metropolitan |
However, if LL's rules start to be enforced in such a way as to make Oxbridge an unsafe space for the staff and volunteers doing their job, I will have it changed to M-rated. That may sound unlikely, but anyone who's been here for a while should be familiar with LL doing stupid--very stupid--things in regards to resident helper groups. |
| 15:31 |
Phrynne |
*nods* |
| 15:32 |
Phrynne |
So far, the much younger avatars have so much trouble doing anything that I'm not sure some are completely literate. This week's 9-year-old gave up and quit because of the difficulties of changing clothes -- that, with two hours of help by two members of staff. |
| 15:33 |
Phrynne |
I am a bit more concerned about the possibility of staff being turned into babysitters than of staff being AR'd for conscientiously trying to help. |
| 15:34 |
Phrynne |
The TOS also allows children younger than 13 with parental permission -- but no longer required to stay on parent-owned regions. |
| 15:34 |
Phrynne |
so, "Mommy said I can do anything here, why are you saying no?" may be a problem. |
| 15:35 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
"Okay, get your mom here so we can ask her" |
| 15:35 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Yes, "Mommy" may need some education about SL! |
| 15:37 |
Phrynne |
One thing we have in our favor is the politeness of staff at Oxbridge. |
| 15:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Even with parental consent, however, it does not sound like those under 13 are free to wander, even on G-rated sims. But that also depends on their registering honestly. |
| 15:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
As it always has. |
| 15:38 |
Phrynne |
The TOS prohibits harassing and sexual, suggestive or otherwise inappropriate conduct with minors. Since Oxbridge is a no-sex area, and our staff have excellent manners, I think that is not something that is likely to happen -- though we should be aware of how we talk to them in IM as in public chat. |
| 15:40 |
Carl Metropolitan |
We will keep everyone updated on this situation. Right now we are in wait and see mode. I want to thank Phynne for her research and careful reading of the ToS. |
| 15:40 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Let's move on to questions, since it is already 3:40 |
| 15:40 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Have you in your inquiries, read anything that indicates a response from sl in general to this. like messages asent to the lindens? |
| 15:40 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
oh ok |
| 15:41 |
Phrynne |
I have seen nothing, Andrea, but I have only been looking at the LL documents. |
| 15:41 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
nods |
| 15:41 |
Phrynne |
If I had a Linden in my back pocket to ask, believe me, I'd be asking. |
| 15:42 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The trouble with asking Lindens is nothing they say really can override the language of the ToS |
| 15:42 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And they often don't understand what they are talking about anyway |
| 15:42 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And policy may change on a whim after you get the answer. |
| 15:43 |
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Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) still thinks LL needs older lawyers... |
| 15:43 |
Carl Metropolitan |
LL needs competent lawyers. |
| 15:44 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Not something out of law school.. |
| 15:44 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Next question? |
| 15:46 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
There will be a themed Superhero dance this coming Tuesday night.Please see the notice in the ISC chat, Or I can send a nc upon request. |
| 15:47 |
Batista Corleone (batistacorleone) |
What is an ISC chat, please? |
| 15:47 |
Phrynne |
Independent State of Caledon group chat |
| 15:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Are you interested in an invite, Batista? |
| 15:48 |
Batista Corleone (batistacorleone) |
yes, pls |
| 15:48 |
Heart Scorn (heartscorn1110) |
im intrested as well |
| 15:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Both of you should have received an invite. |
| 15:50 |
Heart Scorn (heartscorn1110) |
thank you |
| 15:50 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I need to buy a pair of glasses so I can wear a suit and come as Clark Kent. |
| 15:50 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
suprhero private idents are welcome to |
| 15:51 |
Heart Scorn (heartscorn1110) |
brucette wayne |
| 15:51 |
Heart Scorn (heartscorn1110) |
? |
| 15:51 |
Batista Corleone (batistacorleone) |
;o) |
| 15:51 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
hehe |
| 15:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I'll mention something that a couple people have asked me about. The closure of InSilico. |
| 15:51 |
Gronk Seriman |
Oh, No!! |
| 15:51 |
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Carl Metropolitan blames LL without hearing any of the facts. |
| 15:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
No inside info here, but: http://blog.nalates.net/2016/03/23/second-lifes-insilico-closed/ |
| 15:51 |
Heart Scorn (heartscorn1110) |
wait really awwwww that sucks |
| 15:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
and, from SL Universe: http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/114277-so-lets-talk-about-other.html |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Well, LL doesn't comment on such things, and the creator of Insilico claims to have no idea. |
| 15:53 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
what is Insilico? |
| 15:54 |
Carl Metropolitan |
A cyberpunk sim famous for its design |
| 15:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOgOv_1y9m0 |
| 15:54 |
Russell A. Firecrest (adventureruss) |
I visited there once. I always planned to go back and explore properly. |
| 15:55 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
It truly is a nifty build. |
| 15:56 |
Gronk Seriman |
It would take days to thoroughly explore. |
| 15:56 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
is there a chart that measures pinhead factor of LL over time? is it peaking? |
| 15:56 |
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Badass Fae (larkylouz) (s)nickers |
| 15:56 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Certainly a piquing thought, Rowan. |
| 15:56 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is an asymptotic curve. |
| 15:57 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
i thought my 8 year absence might show less of that factor |
| 15:57 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
by now |
| 15:57 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Fortunately LL stays out of the way most of the time, which is why you have SL |
| 15:57 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
yes indeed |
| 15:58 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Next question? We have a minute or two left. |
| 15:58 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
what is the mysterious carp-bunny in the pond |
| 15:58 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
at the oxbridge circle |
| 15:58 |
Phrynne |
That is a mer-bunny, visiting for Easter |
| 15:59 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
most excellent |
| 15:59 |
BronwenBlessed |
if this is relevent... I would like to know about places for rent here! :) |
| 15:59 |
Gronk Seriman |
Awwww! |
| 15:59 |
Phrynne |
like the one in the fish pond in the plaza, except the one in the fountain has the scripting turned on |
| 15:59 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
mer-bunnehs always welcome |
| 15:59 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Justa reminder. If you have a club or event that needs a place to meet and what not. Let me know. |
| 16:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay. Thanks to everyone for coming this evening. |
| 16:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
See you all soon in Oxbridge, and next week here. |
| 16:00 |
BronwenBlessed |
Is there a list of places for rent in Caledon? |
| 16:00 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
thank you, deans and chancellor |
| 16:00 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
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| 16:01 |
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| 16:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
BronwenBlessed email desmondshang@gmail.com, or ask people in the ISC group. If you are not a member of the ISC group, I can invite you. |
| 16:01 |
Gronk Seriman |
Yes there is. LEt's answer yoyr questions about renting after the meeting. |
| 16:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you all. |
| 16:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Okay. Bedtime for me. |
| 16:02 |
Heart Scorn (heartscorn1110) |
thank you deans and chancellors |
| 16:02 |
Gronk Seriman |
Thank you, Dean, and Chancellors! |
| 16:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Or at least trying to get some sleep.... |
| 16:02 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Night |
| 16:02 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Mr sysmith |
| 16:02 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Thanks all. G'night Elfbiter. |
| 16:02 |
Rowan Entilles (rowan900) |
take care Elf! |
| 16:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Be seeing you |