| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
This is Q&A with the deans and my AC died sometime this morning, so I'm a bit out of it being that it is 100 outside |
| 15:04 |
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Lindal Kidd skootches back |
| 15:04 |
Lindal Kidd |
yow! |
| 15:05 |
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Phrynne hands Carl an iced *anything he wants* to dirnk |
| 15:05 |
Phrynne |
*drink |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
So I really have not much to say. |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Iced diet coke and two fans right now |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
So let's start with Commons and Larky and Phrynne |
| 15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Just need a wet bandana or T-shirt so that you can be the human swamp cooler. |
| 15:06 |
Phrynne |
No big announcements this week that I know of. |
| 15:06 |
Phrynne |
We are continuing to update notecards on various things. |
| 15:06 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Yes, I seem to have spent it sleeping....oh, you're talking about all week. And chase out ten year olds. We had two this week! |
| 15:07 |
Phrynne |
Yes, what is it these days? We have had quite a few kids who are very young lately. |
| 15:08 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And some older that just act like 10 year olds? |
| 15:08 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
I talked to this kid over voice. Really brought home to me how young a ten year old is. And she'd managed to get her self in so she cold go to places she should never have been. |
| 15:08 |
Phrynne |
The youngest age that is supposed to be in Second Life is 13, and that's only on a parent's region. |
| 15:08 |
Carl Metropolitan |
All it takes to get in is knowing enough math to lie about your age |
| 15:09 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
We have had a lot of them lately, especially of the variety it's really quite hard to tell their age... |
| 15:09 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Sorry to rant. It just really upset me. |
| 15:09 |
Carl Metropolitan |
All we can do is AR them |
| 15:09 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And warn them |
| 15:09 |
Phrynne |
Yes. And give them the notecard that has only General-rated places on it. |
| 15:10 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Right. |
| 15:10 |
Xarin Skytower |
Maybe we need to set up a playground somewhere in the plaza... /sarcasm |
| 15:10 |
Carl Metropolitan |
LL does not seem to care, so that's the best we can do. |
| 15:10 |
Phrynne |
But that's what's happening. |
| 15:10 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Did the Deans of Commons decide yet on policy re profile content? |
| 15:10 |
Phrynne |
No, not yet. |
| 15:11 |
Phrynne |
That is one of the things we are looking at |
| 15:11 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Phyrnne has been doing a lot of research. |
| 15:11 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Are we leaning toward requiring PG content for helper and tutor profiles? |
| 15:11 |
Phrynne |
I have collected policy material and commentary from Lawst Sohl's Paradise, formerly White Tiger Island, and from Helping Haven, on their policies concering adult profiles. |
| 15:12 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That was long in policy -- back in 2012 notecards. |
| 15:12 |
Phrynne |
and I am still going through it and seeing how it relates to what we have. |
| 15:12 |
Phrynne |
One difference for us is that we have classes, and they do not. |
| 15:12 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I know. I'm asking about the new policy Phyrnne and Larky are working on. |
| 15:13 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
I have no problem with staff profiles being PG. We know them. And I'm talking for myself - Phrynne and I haven't discussed this. It is unknown visitors where my/our concerns lie, I think |
| 15:14 |
Carl Metropolitan |
On the other hand, going back to the previous discussion topic, we can't protect people from stuff out there in other places. |
| 15:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The old wording for staff profiles (2011-09-18) was: All aspects of your profile should be PG as well, (as defined by Linden Labs for all avatars), as profiles may be read by anyone at any time. |
| 15:15 |
Carl Metropolitan |
This is the profile of the shop our ten year old had been in to join its group. |
| 15:15 |
Phrynne |
I don't anticipate any change in the policy for staff. |
| 15:15 |
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Badass Fae (larkylouz) looks at Phrynne for confirmation. "Word, I don't expect that to change." |
| 15:16 |
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Phrynne nods |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
You have the notecard with that? |
| 15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I regularly see profiles with much more graphic content in them. I would like for the people with Oxbridge tags to be the exception. And to hide their naughty groups, if they have any. |
| 15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Just my thoughts. |
| 15:17 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
To clarify, our concerns have been asking strangers to hide information about themselves that we might want to be aware of. Do I really want a person into violence and ageplay running around unknown on a campus with ten year olds? Or 16 year olds, for that matter? |
| 15:18 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
I completely agree, Carl. I don't think that's up for change? |
| 15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I would not ask it of strangers. I would only ask it of Oxbridge Staff. |
| 15:18 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
soory, that last wasn't a question. |
| 15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Seeing profiles like you described is stuff we need to know. |
| 15:18 |
Phrynne |
One of the reasons this arises is that we have a lot of older avatars who bring new people through -- often they are new people who the older ones have met somewhere and are being kind to. |
| 15:19 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
We think that David put into place a policy of asking people to hide their Adult groups. We've been enforcing that and are becoming more and more uncomfortable with it. |
| 15:19 |
Phrynne |
And so the question arises as to whether the older people are being kind or are any danger to others here, if their profiles are iffy. I generally talk to them and let them know our policies, and that has worked well so far |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Yes we don't want to discourage "Hi, I found this ten year old hanging around our BDSM orgy club and thought Oxbridge would be a better place for him to hang out" |
| 15:19 |
Phrynne |
Exactly. |
| 15:22 |
Phrynne |
And that's about all for us. |
| 15:22 |
Carl Metropolitan |
1) AR ("Hey, LL, this person is clearly underage; you might want to do something") 2) Educate ("You need to understand that there is a lot of content in SL that you and your parents might not want you seeing at your age, plus there are some very mean people. Its really not safe for children"), 3) Minimize Harm ("As long as you are here, this is a list of some safe places you can go") |
| 15:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
A reasonable 3-part approach. |
| 15:24 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
that's pretty much what we do. We recently changed the policy of b anning them, thinking they're safer here than wherever they might go if they gt banned |
| 15:24 |
Phrynne |
Unless they misbehave, in which case they do get banned. |
| 15:24 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I know. I was summarizing what Larky and Phrynne have come up with for the audience. |
| 15:24 |
Phrynne |
after a warning and some talk about why. |
| 15:25 |
Xarin Skytower |
On that topic of underage players, are we expected to babysit them while they're at Oxbridge? |
| 15:26 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I know people who let their kids come into SL while being supervised by the parents (i.e., sitting next to them at the computer.) That goes on a fair amount, and from what I've heard, most of the kids just want to use SL to play Barbie. |
| 15:26 |
Briella Everhart (heavenlymay101) |
Barbie? |
| 15:26 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
If you are uncomfortable doing so, please say so, Xarin. I don't want to put anyone in an uncomfortable position. |
| 15:26 |
Lindal Kidd |
dress-up |
| 15:26 |
Carl Metropolitan |
An american fashion doll aimed at children |
| 15:27 |
Briella Everhart (heavenlymay101) |
I know what Barbie is, haha. Oh, dress-up? |
| 15:27 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Right. |
| 15:27 |
Phrynne |
yes |
| 15:27 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
with a shape pretty much akin to the 'average' female shape in SL. Snort |
| 15:27 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Barbie the anorexy inception toy. |
| 15:27 |
Briella Everhart (heavenlymay101) |
They have games decicated to that aimed at children. |
| 15:27 |
Xarin Skytower |
I don't mind at all, I just wanted some clarification on my duties. I would feel more uncomfortable watching an underage player then being called off with no one else to watch them if that was my responsibility. |
| 15:27 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I think we had an example of one that required to active babysitting and did end of banned. So the expectation is not that tutors actively babysit. |
| 15:28 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
*too active.... |
| 15:28 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
ah, xarin. a good question. |
| 15:28 |
Xarin Skytower |
Ok, thank you. |
| 15:28 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is not your responsibility, Xarin. Once we have done the AR, it is LL's responsibility. However, since LL doesn't act quickly or consistently, we recommend harm reduction if you are comfortable with it. If not, we understand. |
| 15:28 |
Phrynne |
We try to help people as best we can, while understanding that we can't do everything all the time for everyone -- and some will resist it. |
| 15:29 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Harm reduction is not babysitting. |
| 15:29 |
Phrynne |
Don't be afraid to ask for one of the deans to help. |
| 15:29 |
Xarin Skytower |
Of course. |
| 15:29 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
We did actively try to keep last night's child engaged. Several of us cooperated to 'babysit' That is not something we routinely do, nor is it a policy. |
| 15:29 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is warning and directing to G places. |
| 15:30 |
Carl Metropolitan |
In the case last night I believe Larky was a bit worried by the places the child had already been (i.e., the photo I showed earlier) |
| 15:30 |
Xarin Skytower |
I will definitely keep all that in mind when the need arises. |
| 15:30 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay. Let's move on to Lindal |
| 15:30 |
Lindal Kidd |
Not much to report in my department either, Carl. Classes were well attended, but my visits to Social Island 1, 2, and 3 seemed to show fewer newbies arriving this week. |
| 15:31 |
Lindal Kidd |
I have had almost no time to work on content this week, but |
| 15:31 |
Lindal Kidd |
I did update the language-giver device to make it plainer that the flags were to be clicked |
| 15:31 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thank you |
| 15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I did a lot of stuff involving LL this week, and it looks like nothing will come of it. I will talk more when I am able to without risking pissing off LL. |
| 15:32 |
Lindal Kidd |
continuing to update notecards for the next faculty kit revision |
| 15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Wordsmith? You have visual aids, I see. |
| 15:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I do, results of catching up on class statistics |
| 15:34 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
What the class attendance has looked like (including my often spotty ability to teach two classes in a week plus other stuff). |
| 15:34 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And the age histogram, now with 1600 class hours behind it. |
| 15:35 |
Meora (menchor) |
have you done an average class attendence over time |
| 15:35 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
BTW, the drop in the attendence toward the end isn't real. It's an artifact of the statistics collector getting an error while I was away and shutting down. |
| 15:35 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Red line on chart one |
| 15:35 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
13 week average. |
| 15:35 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Oh. I need to talk to you about moving my Trivia game |
| 15:36 |
Meora (menchor) |
I was thinking of more per class since dropping a class should drop attendence |
| 15:36 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I am having trouble making it consistently on Tuesday because of RL work running late into my prep time. |
| 15:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We can find another slot and I'll get the schedule managing that. Still nudging Tali to get the interface up so I really do have the ability to schedule for the next week beyond just cancels. |
| 15:37 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thank you. |
| 15:38 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I will try to make it this week, but the AC guy is scheduled for Tuesday. |
| 15:38 |
Carl Metropolitan |
So if he's late, I have to prioritize that |
| 15:38 |
Lindal Kidd |
Pardon me, Carl, and everyone. RL is hollering! |
| 15:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The other news, freeing up some of my time, is that Elendreal Halasy will be taking over Basic Scripting after next Monday. |
| 15:38 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Cool! |
| 15:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
He's had experience interfacing SL scripting with web interfaces and seems to have a Caledon compatible personality. |
| 15:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We've talked extensively and he's put together a modified lecture. |
| 15:40 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Did you ever ask Sir Zen if he might be willing to resume his scripting office hours? He was doing that until is RL went haywire on him. |
| 15:41 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I haven't yet, was spending the time this last week with Halasy. If Sir Zen is in a better place now that would be good. |
| 15:42 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I'll certainly give him the option of resuming the class. |
| 15:42 |
Carl Metropolitan |
This would be as a supplement to Halasy's scripting class I would assume |
| 15:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes. |
| 15:44 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And Halasy's also volunteered to take on some of the infrastructure scripting as needed. |
| 15:45 |
Carl Metropolitan |
He could transition into Assistant Dean of Engines under you perhaps, if he's good at it. |
| 15:45 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Wow. We talked a lot |
| 15:45 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Let's take questions. |
| 15:45 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Sorry. The time escaped us |
| 15:45 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
It's good to talk a lot, sometimes |
| 15:46 |
Carl Metropolitan |
This thing we do on Sundays is a weird hybrid of a staff meeting and an open forum, but I like the transparency. |
| 15:47 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Any questions about anything? |
| 15:47 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
As do I. |
| 15:48 |
Xarin Skytower |
Is the Intro to RP Class gone for good now, or on hiatus? |
| 15:49 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hiatus. I dropped Wendyslippers one notecard; I'll drop her another. At worst, she's in rehearsal for the summer. |
| 15:49 |
Xarin Skytower |
Oh, I see. Thanks! |
| 15:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It's too useful a class to just put it aside. |
| 15:51 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And is a very popular one. |
| 15:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And Michael Macbeth, who has subbed for her before, is also doing theater rehearsals this summer. |
| 15:52 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
We've been seeing a lot more foreign language students recently. Is that just a recent trend, or have other folks been referring them to us more often? |
| 15:52 |
Phrynne |
It looks like the same number as usual to me, for summer. |
| 15:52 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Hm. Okay. |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That round about reminds me. |
| 15:53 |
Phrynne |
There are a lot of seasonal fluctuations in the people who arrive at Oxbridge. |
| 15:53 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Do we have statistics on that, Word? |
| 15:53 |
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Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) still remembers the major influx of Brazilians who had to be explained how to get rid of the BAsic Mode... |
| 15:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Andrea Jones brought to my attention last night a period in which chat on the scholars list appeared to be impeding its use for help. I think we need to be conscious of asking people to tone it down a bit if you see that occurring. |
| 15:55 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
A little conversation and banter can be good, but it is impotant to remind folks that it is specifically for asking questions rather than conversing |
| 15:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
As Miss Jones put it, "We don't need a hammer, but ...." |
| 15:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Or, as I noticed in the transcript, telling people they only get one question, which even if good natured can have an effect. |
| 15:58 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
I seem to have trouble consistantly hearing that group chat, and I'm not sure why it won't come up sometimes... but you're not wrong. |
| 15:58 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
There are a couple of folks in COUG who seriously need to be toned down. I agree. |
| 16:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Is it an issue where people who have questions are being drowned out? |
| 16:00 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Yes. A few times, I have seen them get lost in the chatter. |
| 16:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Pretty much. |
| 16:00 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Sometimes discussion in the public chat drowns out answers to newcomers' questions... |
| 16:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That and, in this case, someone asking if they could ask a question. And then others responding, "you just did and you only get one". |
| 16:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Then I guess we need to gently push for less chat. |
| 16:01 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Exactly, EB. Debating the merits of one approach or another, and an odd question goes unheard in the text |
| 16:01 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
What I saw last inight, when I wasn't in a place to deal with it, was people joking around to the poihnt that someone more sensitive than last night's questioner, might have been put off. It was all good fun, but it was excessive |
| 16:01 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
But in that case there is an option to open the IM channel. |
| 16:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Does COUG chat fall under one of the existing deans? |
| 16:02 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I don't think so. |
| 16:02 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Right. So we need to make sure to be more active about directing them to use that, or other less open means to debate |
| 16:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
No, it's rather a shared responsibility among staff. |
| 16:02 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
I have no problem with being the ogre and telling them they need to keep it to questions. Last night was unusual. /shrugs |
| 16:02 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I thought so |
| 16:03 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Right, LArky, but it shouldn't have to just be you! |
| 16:03 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Probably works better that way |
| 16:03 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
We can help with that too! I hear I make a good ogre, probably because of all the green |
| 16:03 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
No, of course not. I don't feel it is. |
| 16:03 |
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Badass Fae (larkylouz) laughs. |
| 16:03 |
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Phrynne thinks Aylaria doesn't look at all like Shrek |
| 16:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I just brought it up to help create a gentle but persistent nudge from staff. |
| 16:03 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
That's because you haven't peeled back all the layers yet |
| 16:04 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
I'm like an onion |
| 16:04 |
Xarin Skytower |
You smell like an onion... |
| 16:04 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
The Onion? :-) |
| 16:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Aylaria is like a satirical publication? |
| 16:04 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
I don't think that's relevant to the Q&A! |
| 16:05 |
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Xarin Skytower giggles and bites his tongue. |
| 16:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I can't tell real life from the onion anymore. |
| 16:05 |
Meora (menchor) |
last week they broke a story that turned out to be true |
| 16:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Any last quick questions? |
| 16:06 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thanks for coming everyone. (I see no one typing) |
| 16:07 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Thanks for taking the time to keep us informed, and to answer our questions! |
| 16:07 |
Xarin Skytower |
Thanks Deans! |
| 16:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you all. |
| 16:07 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I will see you later. I have to get out a revised spec sheet and quote for RL company! |
| 16:07 |
Phrynne |
take care |
| 16:07 |
Gronk Seriman |
Thank you, everybody! |
| 16:07 |
Meora (menchor) |
thank you deans |
| 16:07 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Bedtime for me. |
| 16:07 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
take care all |
| 16:07 |
Badass Fae (larkylouz) |
Good night, Mr. Elfbiter |
| 16:07 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Goodnight, EB |