15:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Looks to be that time. Welcome to the Weekly Deans' Q&A |
15:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Where you can ask questions, add to what we know, or completely stump us. |
15:05 |
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BadAss Fae (larkylouz) looks around for a stump to sit on |
15:05 |
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Gronk Seriman logs that remark |
15:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And thank you all for being here. It's far more entertaining than telling puns to ourselves. |
15:05 |
Barbara Collazo |
you want puns? |
15:06 |
Lindal Kidd |
limited availability...pun to a customer |
15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Any updates on information, Miss Kidd. |
15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
(requires pun authorization?) |
15:07 |
Lindal Kidd |
yes, I have updates on languages! |
15:07 |
Meora (menchor) |
ooh punished for the joke |
15:07 |
Barbara Collazo |
I have some pun-authorized ones... |
15:07 |
Fauve Aeon |
so...if you don't get questioners, you just...punt!? |
15:07 |
Lindal Kidd |
Besides the work Wordsmith has been doing on a translator for COU, I have some news to relate. |
15:07 |
Lindal Kidd |
First, there is a new almost-free translator available in world. It is "donate-ware"...not completely free, but you can donate any amount, as little as $L1. to get one. I have the landmark and will pass it out. |
15:08 |
Gronk Seriman |
Ooo! Nice! |
15:08 |
Lindal Kidd |
Second, I have discovered a way to use a translator with the notecard readers that many of us use to present our classes. Here is the secret: |
15:08 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Wordsmith has also been working all week on a translator for staff! |
15:08 |
Lindal Kidd |
Wear both the notecard reader and the translator. |
15:09 |
Lindal Kidd |
Set YOUR OWN LANGUAGE to the language you want to translate to. Then make sure "translate objects" is turned on in the translator. |
15:09 |
Lindal Kidd |
I will demonstrate this with one of my class scripts, and a translator set with Spanish as "my" language. |
15:09 |
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- Hi, I'm Lindal Kidd. Welcome to Buying and Renting Land! This class will teach you the basics of how to find, buy, rent, and sell land in Second Life. |
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- We will also talk about land valuation and discuss some of the special issues involved with owning land on Private Estates. |
15:09 |
Lindal Kidd |
isn't that cool!? |
15:09 |
Lindal Kidd(es>en) |
is not that cool !? |
15:09 |
Barbara Collazo |
I see nothing |
15:10 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
I saw no translation either |
15:10 |
Lindal Kidd |
This may be of use when we have non-English speakers in our classes. |
15:10 |
Lindal Kidd |
uh oh! |
15:10 |
Batista Corleone (batistacorleone) |
no translation here ... |
15:10 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
It was translating to english, I think? |
15:10 |
Gronk Seriman |
I saw no translation, either. |
15:10 |
Barbara Collazo |
that is going to depend on browser settings |
15:10 |
Barbara Collazo |
there are FS settings to prevent spoofing, among other things |
15:10 |
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Lindal Kidd turns very red |
15:10 |
Lindal Kidd |
it translates...but just for me. |
15:10 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Lindal, try it with English as your language and Spanish as the destination language, perhaps. |
15:10 |
Lindal Kidd |
doggone it |
15:11 |
Jayleden Miles |
So you can just copy/paste the translation |
15:11 |
Lindal Kidd |
is this any better? |
15:11 |
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- Before we begin, I'd like to thank our class sponsors. Sponsors help make these classes possible. |
15:11 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
It's still in english |
15:11 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
still just english |
15:11 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
still seeing english |
15:11 |
Lindal Kidd |
yes |
15:11 |
Gronk Seriman |
It's probably only appearing on her own viewer. |
15:11 |
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- You can find information about all our sponsors on the notice board outside the classroom. |
15:11 |
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Lindal Kidd smiles ruefully |
15:11 |
Marley Harley (marleyharley) |
self-translation. very new concept :) |
15:12 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
One also has to be careful with notecard readers and translators. They require an HTTP Request and those are throttled. |
15:12 |
Lindal Kidd |
well, I thought I had a New Discovery, but it's back to the lab on this one |
15:12 |
Lindal Kidd |
Perhaps Word can do something with the one he is working on |
15:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
In general, if one is trying to put out class notes, you run into the limit on HTTP requests and it stops there. |
15:13 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Welcome, Sandie |
15:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Jayle, anything on the funding side? Sponsors? Patrons? |
15:14 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Do come in and have a seat, Miss Sandie. |
15:15 |
Jayleden Miles |
Carl is still handling Patrons, if anyone is interested signing up for that he is your man. If anyone is interested in sponsoring please contact me! I don't really have anything to report. I am looking for folks interested in helping with the fall fundraiser. |
15:15 |
Jayleden Miles |
And the assistant to Development position is still open. |
15:16 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
what kind of help is needed fo it? |
15:16 |
Jayleden Miles |
Creative peeps who are interested in helping create the story/plot line. |
15:17 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Hi carl. |
15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Hi. I'm sorry I'm late. |
15:17 |
Sandie Harbour |
raises hand |
15:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Good to have you slip into place. Lindal's talked about efforts on her side; Jayle was just speaking. |
15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I will keep quiet and not interrupt :) |
15:18 |
Jayleden Miles |
There is also a need for other things but please contact me in IM for further into. |
15:18 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Speaking of story and plot writing, I might be of some assistance in that department. If you need another set of eyes for the logics or brainstorming of any of that, I would be quite happy to assist |
15:19 |
Jayleden Miles |
I'd be happy to have you on board! |
15:20 |
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Jayleden Miles is finished. |
15:21 |
Jayleden Miles |
[notes Sandie has a question] |
15:21 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
For my part, I've managed to get the first version of a translator going based on the free allotment of the Microsoft Service. |
15:22 |
Lindal Kidd |
: applauds! |
15:22 |
Gronk Seriman |
Yay! |
15:22 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Still running through minor updates, but several have tried it successfully. |
15:22 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
And it is very easy to use! |
15:22 |
Barbara Collazo |
great! |
15:22 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Elfbiter noted it was handling four languages at once. |
15:22 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Particularly in coordination with the language radar. |
15:22 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
YEs |
15:22 |
Sandie Harbour |
raises hand |
15:23 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Miss Sandie (hereafter known as the patient one)? |
15:24 |
Sandie Harbour |
would it be possible to study how the translator was implemented? |
15:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It would. |
15:25 |
Sandie Harbour |
I would greatly appreciate that |
15:25 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
I'm sorry. I seem to be missing Sandie's question. I shall move closer in. |
15:26 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The coding itself I am not concerned about sharing. Only the bits of authentications keys and such that allow one to use the code as the app I registered. |
15:26 |
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Gronk Seriman raises a hand. |
15:26 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Miss Gronk? |
15:26 |
Gronk Seriman |
You mentioned Microsoft's "allotment". is that over all the translators, or for each user? |
15:27 |
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Jayleden Miles shoves ...er...gently pushes Larky closer to the stage edge to help with distance |
15:27 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We have 2 million characters per month for all the translators. |
15:27 |
Gronk Seriman |
Ah. |
15:27 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Raises hand |
15:28 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Which is also why I'm keeping a fairly tight hand on ones that use our access keys. |
15:28 |
Gronk Seriman |
Understandable. |
15:28 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
I've given Word a list of plaza staff whom I believe are the most likely frequent users of the translator. If I missed you, please talk to me. |
15:29 |
Sandie Harbour |
I am just curious about the implementation |
15:29 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Is it possible for heavy users to set up their on account on google and have their translator run through their own account. reducing the load on the group units? |
15:29 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
First priority is given to those who are actively working the Oxbridge quad. |
15:29 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
You didn't miss her, Larky. |
15:30 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
I wasn't speaking of specific people, just FYI in general |
15:30 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It would be, Miss Andrea. It also requires a PHP capable website. |
15:30 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Would you need to do the setup? |
15:30 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Or can that be taught |
15:30 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
In fact, someone could set up a paid account for as much usage as they wished. |
15:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The setup could be taught. |
15:31 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
CAn the group translators run on more than one account? |
15:31 |
Barbara Collazo |
Wouldn't it be great if we could have a Tower of Babel? log in and it tells you anything said, in your language? |
15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Right now this may not even be an issue. Wordsmith's translators will run though Bing translate which allows two million words per month per account free. |
15:32 |
Lindal Kidd |
and that is a LOT of translating |
15:32 |
Meora (menchor) |
words or characters? |
15:32 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Nodds. |
15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
We are unlikely -- as long as the use of the translators is confined to Oxbridge -- to exceed taht |
15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Characters |
15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Sorry |
15:32 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Characters |
15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
My fault |
15:32 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
and considering some of us already have paid translators not everyone will be eating into that |
15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
But still, that's a lot. |
15:33 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Still, preparation for the future ans all |
15:33 |
Sandie Harbour |
if a picture is worth 1000 words, that is 2000 pictures |
15:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
As to ones for Oxbridge, I don't want to set up the appearance of hacking MicroSoft by running multiple free accounts that all point to our website. |
15:34 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
nodds |
15:36 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But there's no problem I see without someone else setting up their own MS and Azure Market account, subscribing to a free or paid level of the translator service, and then registering THEIR app, and substantially using my coding. |
15:36 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
*I see with someone....... |
15:38 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Will you be offering a class on teaching how to set it up? Or a nc? |
15:38 |
Lindal Kidd |
As a comparison, I just checked my last month's local chat log...it comes to about 1.7 million characters. |
15:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I've got a notecard. Setup is rather click on / click off. |
15:39 |
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BadAss Fae (larkylouz) pastes duct tape over her mouth |
15:39 |
Barbara Collazo |
Trying to get your quota down, Larky? :) |
15:39 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Rips it off for larky |
15:39 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Yes, but keep in mind you will not be translating everything! |
15:39 |
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BadAss Fae (larkylouz) grins |
15:39 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The idea is to turn the translator on when you need it and turn it off when you are done. |
15:40 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
does the translator translate when there is no one ESL around? |
15:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
No. |
15:41 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
I mean, are character items going up against it? I wouldn't think so. |
15:41 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Not the way it determines languages now, by how the avatar is registered. |
15:42 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I'll likely need to add some ability to manually add an active language or ignore one -- it looks like those on phones show an empty language field. |
15:42 |
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Sandie Harbour thinks Dean Jarvinen is doing an amazing job |
15:43 |
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BadAss Fae (larkylouz) agrees |
15:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But, for those interested in the technical side of it, likely best to talk with me later. |
15:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Since there may be some actual questions on other things. |
15:44 |
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BadAss Fae (larkylouz) would like to make an announcement |
15:44 |
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Lindal Kidd perks up her ears |
15:44 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Avel Luna and Aylaria have been promoted to Tutor this past week. They've both worked very hard in the plaza, and I'm quite pleased to welcome them. |
15:45 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Yay |
15:45 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Good to hear. |
15:45 |
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Aylaria (emberell) waves happily! ^.=.^ |
15:45 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
I can agree to that. |
15:45 |
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Gronk Seriman applauds! |
15:45 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
always good to have more help at oxbridge :) |
15:45 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
At least as far as Aylaria is concerned. |
15:45 |
Carl Metropolitan |
They are very welcome! |
15:46 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
I'm quite happy to be here to help out, with all you wonderful people! |
15:46 |
Fauve Aeon |
{{please excuse me}} |
15:47 |
Marley Harley (marleyharley) |
Congratulations, lady Dragon :) |
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15:47 |
Gronk Seriman |
I don't think Aylaria will fit into the Secret Tutor Lounge. |
15:47 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
there is a secret tutor lounge? |
15:47 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Neither do I :-) |
15:47 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
We're building a dragon lair into the corner, just for her, Gronk |
15:47 |
Lindal Kidd |
yes, but it's a secret! |
15:47 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
I fit just fine into the bath tub! |
15:47 |
Sandie Harbour |
but she is one of the sweetest souls here |
15:47 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
use the skybox instead |
15:47 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Oh, what, that's the pool? |
15:47 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
the hidden one |
15:48 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
all the secrets I know about were removed about 3 years ago ;) |
15:48 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Well umm nevermind then |
15:48 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Dragon Olympics sized, Aylaria |
15:49 |
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BadAss Fae (larkylouz) raises hand for another announcement |
15:49 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Announce away. |
15:50 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
I'll be presenting a second Tutor Training this week. Two sessions to try to accommodate as many time zones as possible. Subject: Working with visitors who don't speak English. |
15:50 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Wednesday at noon, Friday at 7pmSLT this week. |
15:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Which are both up on the current class schedule. |
15:50 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Everyone is welcome - you don'thave to be on staff. |
15:51 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Assisting the Non-English? |
15:51 |
Lindal Kidd |
ja! da! Oui. Si. uh huh. |
15:51 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
As an American born and bred, I couldn't justify that, Carl. |
15:51 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
;^) |
15:51 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Kyllä |
15:52 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
but the lecture will be presented in Lowland Fae |
15:52 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Excuse me for standing everyone. I seem to keep sinking into the floor |
15:52 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Something to help out with the cultural differences when dealing with Americans, Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, Scotts, etc? |
15:52 |
Lindal Kidd |
is that like Mermish? |
15:52 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
LOL. It's very close, but more literary, Lindal |
15:52 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Not quite as all wet. |
15:52 |
Barbara Collazo |
yah--like what is Marmite? |
15:53 |
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Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) shudders |
15:53 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
We use marmite on our countertops, Barbara |
15:53 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
So much nicer than tile |
15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And not to confuse Marmite with Chocolate. |
15:53 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Is hungry now. |
15:53 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
ooooo! chocolate counters? |
15:53 |
Gronk Seriman |
...or Vegimite. |
15:53 |
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BadAss Fae (larkylouz) never bothers to count her chocolate intake |
15:54 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Welcome Red |
15:54 |
Barbara Collazo |
Word, can the translator translate "eh" for us? |
15:55 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
meh it should |
15:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It may come out still as "eh". |
15:55 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
ah bay say quarto ... |
15:55 |
Barbara Collazo |
You know how to spell that country to the north of us? C-eh-n-eh-d-eh |
15:56 |
Jayleden Miles |
I want mine to translate everything into Tolkien's elven. |
15:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
MS does offer two dialects of Klingon. |
15:56 |
Jayleden Miles |
grins |
15:57 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Raises hand? |
15:57 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
No Thuum translation yet |
15:57 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Yes, Andrea? |
15:57 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Any word on the airships and carriages? |
15:57 |
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15:58 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
From Des or others? |
15:58 |
Carl Metropolitan |
None that I've heard. |
15:58 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
OK thanks |
15:58 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Jorge is rearranging things |
15:58 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Ask him. |
15:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I told Mr. Serapis I would look over what scripting I had access to. |
15:58 |
Jayleden Miles |
A globla EM told me that Desmond said he does have the carriages but he won't put them out again untll he gets around tuit...what a tuit is - I don't know. |
15:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
He had encountered an "It ought to be working" situation. |
15:59 |
Sandie Harbour |
are there any square tuits? |
15:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
kk They might have to routed again, but it's nice to know it is possible. |
15:59 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Who would I speak to in Caledon about it since it is outside of the COU |
16:00 |
Jayleden Miles |
I think the tuit has to be round. |
16:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
About which, Miss Jones? |
16:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Desmond is the person to speak to about the carriages. But he knows already and is just overloaded |
16:01 |
Barbara Collazo |
I have one you can give him, Jay |
16:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Jorge Serapis is in charge of the Airships and is presumably working on them too. |
16:01 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Ah ok then thanks |
16:01 |
Jayleden Miles |
Jorge also just lost a good friend - Soliel - so---he might be distracted currently. |
16:02 |
Josain Zsun |
Any change of status of the Library parcel? I see an accumulation of prims on all levels, which should tell a miscreant Rezzing is allowed and there is no Auto-Return. |
16:02 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
AH so sorry to hear that. |
16:02 |
Jayleden Miles |
Lark and I had Mari down to return the litter from the library last night. But yeah there is a lot. |
16:03 |
BadAss Fae (larkylouz) |
Mari was fairly put out that there isn't adequate auto-return |
16:04 |
Jayleden Miles |
yeah Mari was irked about it - she wrote to Desmond - ....I told her we're waiting on Desmond to change out a couple of the EMs |
16:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I believe a new group has been set up, but there may be a process of deeding to it, and that can easily leave scripts unreadable if one isn't careful. |
16:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
(in re to the library) |
16:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is an ongoing issue over which we have little control. |
16:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I wrote JJ Drinkwater about it a few weeks ago. Let me check and see if he or I dropped the ball. |
16:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks, Carl. |
16:06 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I have not heard from him since my April 5th letter |
16:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Well, unless there is something rather quick, we've reached our time. |
16:06 |
Carl Metropolitan |
He is of the opinion that the library parcel must allow rezzing for their system to work. |
16:06 |
Jayleden Miles |
JJ is infamous for being lackluster about responding. |
16:06 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Desmond was apparently talking to him, too. |
16:07 |
Jayleden Miles |
Not sure what they have that rezzes? |
16:07 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
its not rezzing thats the issue its returning and banning/ejecting permissions |
16:07 |
Jayleden Miles |
Agrees with Jasmin |
16:07 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Yes. Please keep in mind, Oxbridge does not own or control that land. |
16:08 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
there was a fellow in there yesterday, and all oxbridge staff on hand had no power to do anything unfortnatly |
16:08 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And, better not to have group return permissions for things belonging to the library. |
16:08 |
Carl Metropolitan |
No do we pay for it. |
16:08 |
Jayleden Miles |
Yes, but that is part of the issue for the staff here in dealing with griefers. |
16:08 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Griefers have launched attacks from that area. |
16:08 |
Jayleden Miles |
It'd help if Desmond could get us two new EMs who are here a lot. |
16:08 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I know. I'm explaining why we have limited control |
16:09 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Larky is going to replace David as an EM |
16:09 |
Jayleden Miles |
namely Larky and Word. |
16:09 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Wordsmith is already an EM, I think. |
16:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Nope. |
16:09 |
Carl Metropolitan |
If he's not, that needs to change. |
16:09 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay. |
16:09 |
Jayleden Miles |
Marion still is. |
16:10 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
kk Shall we adjourn at this point? |
16:11 |
Jayleden Miles |
I having nothing more, unless there are more volunteers for the fall event? *looks about* |
16:11 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
depends what you need really |
16:12 |
Barbara Collazo |
I'd like to know more about the event first |
16:12 |
Marley Harley (marleyharley) |
Fall seems far |
16:12 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
It's only a quick drop, Marley |
16:12 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hearing no objections, the Q&A is adjourned, with individual issues to individual communications. |
16:12 |
Jayleden Miles |
Yes - but it takes ages to get things done...that pesky rl gets in the way |
16:12 |
Aylaria (emberell) |
Thank you, as always, for taking the time to answer our questions! |
16:12 |
Sandie Harbour |
I'm not sure what I am volunteering for but maybe I can help |
16:12 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
thanks for your time deans ;) |
16:12 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Bedtime for me. |
16:12 |
Gronk Seriman |
Thank you, Deans! |
16:13 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
night elf |