Caledon Oxbridge Q&A for 2015-04-26

15:04 Wordsmith Jarvinen Looks to be that time. Welcome to the Weekly Deans' Q&A
15:04 Wordsmith Jarvinen Where you can ask questions, add to what we know, or completely stump us.
15:05 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) looks around for a stump to sit on
15:05 Gronk Seriman logs that remark
15:05 Wordsmith Jarvinen And thank you all for being here. It's far more entertaining than telling puns to ourselves.
15:05 Barbara Collazo you want puns?
15:06 Lindal Kidd limited availability...pun to a customer
15:06 Wordsmith Jarvinen Any updates on information, Miss Kidd.
15:06 Wordsmith Jarvinen (requires pun authorization?)
15:07 Lindal Kidd yes, I have updates on languages!
15:07 Meora (menchor) ooh punished for the joke
15:07 Barbara Collazo I have some pun-authorized ones...
15:07 Fauve Aeon so...if you don't get questioners, you just...punt!?
15:07 Lindal Kidd Besides the work Wordsmith has been doing on a translator for COU, I have some news to relate.
15:07 Lindal Kidd First, there is a new almost-free translator available in world. It is "donate-ware"...not completely free, but you can donate any amount, as little as $L1. to get one. I have the landmark and will pass it out.
15:08 Gronk Seriman Ooo! Nice!
15:08 Lindal Kidd Second, I have discovered a way to use a translator with the notecard readers that many of us use to present our classes. Here is the secret:
15:08 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Wordsmith has also been working all week on a translator for staff!
15:08 Lindal Kidd Wear both the notecard reader and the translator.
15:09 Lindal Kidd Set YOUR OWN LANGUAGE to the language you want to translate to. Then make sure "translate objects" is turned on in the translator.
15:09 Lindal Kidd I will demonstrate this with one of my class scripts, and a translator set with Spanish as "my" language.
15:09 - Hi, I'm Lindal Kidd. Welcome to Buying and Renting Land! This class will teach you the basics of how to find, buy, rent, and sell land in Second Life.
15:09 - We will also talk about land valuation and discuss some of the special issues involved with owning land on Private Estates.
15:09 Lindal Kidd isn't that cool!?
15:09 Lindal Kidd(es>en) is not that cool !?
15:09 Barbara Collazo I see nothing
15:10 Jasmin Jolbey I saw no translation either
15:10 Lindal Kidd This may be of use when we have non-English speakers in our classes.
15:10 Lindal Kidd uh oh!
15:10 Batista Corleone (batistacorleone) no translation here ...
15:10 Aylaria (emberell) It was translating to english, I think?
15:10 Gronk Seriman I saw no translation, either.
15:10 Barbara Collazo that is going to depend on browser settings
15:10 Barbara Collazo there are FS settings to prevent spoofing, among other things
15:10 Lindal Kidd turns very red
15:10 Lindal Kidd it translates...but just for me.
15:10 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Lindal, try it with English as your language and Spanish as the destination language, perhaps.
15:10 Lindal Kidd doggone it
15:11 Jayleden Miles So you can just copy/paste the translation
15:11 Lindal Kidd is this any better?
15:11 - Before we begin, I'd like to thank our class sponsors. Sponsors help make these classes possible.
15:11 Aylaria (emberell) It's still in english
15:11 Jasmin Jolbey still just english
15:11 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) still seeing english
15:11 Lindal Kidd yes
15:11 Gronk Seriman It's probably only appearing on her own viewer.
15:11 - You can find information about all our sponsors on the notice board outside the classroom.
15:11 Lindal Kidd smiles ruefully
15:11 Marley Harley (marleyharley) self-translation. very new concept :)
15:12 Wordsmith Jarvinen One also has to be careful with notecard readers and translators. They require an HTTP Request and those are throttled.
15:12 Lindal Kidd well, I thought I had a New Discovery, but it's back to the lab on this one
15:12 Lindal Kidd Perhaps Word can do something with the one he is working on
15:13 Wordsmith Jarvinen In general, if one is trying to put out class notes, you run into the limit on HTTP requests and it stops there.
15:13 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Welcome, Sandie
15:13 Wordsmith Jarvinen Jayle, anything on the funding side? Sponsors? Patrons?
15:14 Wordsmith Jarvinen Do come in and have a seat, Miss Sandie.
15:15 Jayleden Miles Carl is still handling Patrons, if anyone is interested signing up for that he is your man. If anyone is interested in sponsoring please contact me! I don't really have anything to report. I am looking for folks interested in helping with the fall fundraiser.
15:15 Jayleden Miles And the assistant to Development position is still open.
15:16 Jasmin Jolbey what kind of help is needed fo it?
15:16 Jayleden Miles Creative peeps who are interested in helping create the story/plot line.
15:17 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Hi carl.
15:17 Carl Metropolitan Hi. I'm sorry I'm late.
15:17 Sandie Harbour raises hand
15:17 Wordsmith Jarvinen Good to have you slip into place. Lindal's talked about efforts on her side; Jayle was just speaking.
15:18 Carl Metropolitan I will keep quiet and not interrupt :)
15:18 Jayleden Miles There is also a need for other things but please contact me in IM for further into.
15:18 Aylaria (emberell) Speaking of story and plot writing, I might be of some assistance in that department. If you need another set of eyes for the logics or brainstorming of any of that, I would be quite happy to assist
15:19 Jayleden Miles I'd be happy to have you on board!
15:20 Jayleden Miles is finished.
15:21 Jayleden Miles [notes Sandie has a question]
15:21 Wordsmith Jarvinen For my part, I've managed to get the first version of a translator going based on the free allotment of the Microsoft Service.
15:22 Lindal Kidd : applauds!
15:22 Gronk Seriman Yay!
15:22 Wordsmith Jarvinen Still running through minor updates, but several have tried it successfully.
15:22 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) And it is very easy to use!
15:22 Barbara Collazo great!
15:22 Wordsmith Jarvinen Elfbiter noted it was handling four languages at once.
15:22 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Particularly in coordination with the language radar.
15:22 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) YEs
15:22 Sandie Harbour raises hand
15:23 Wordsmith Jarvinen Miss Sandie (hereafter known as the patient one)?
15:24 Sandie Harbour would it be possible to study how the translator was implemented?
15:24 Wordsmith Jarvinen It would.
15:25 Sandie Harbour I would greatly appreciate that
15:25 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) I'm sorry. I seem to be missing Sandie's question. I shall move closer in.
15:26 Wordsmith Jarvinen The coding itself I am not concerned about sharing. Only the bits of authentications keys and such that allow one to use the code as the app I registered.
15:26 Gronk Seriman raises a hand.
15:26 Wordsmith Jarvinen Miss Gronk?
15:26 Gronk Seriman You mentioned Microsoft's "allotment". is that over all the translators, or for each user?
15:27 Jayleden Miles shoves ...er...gently pushes Larky closer to the stage edge to help with distance
15:27 Wordsmith Jarvinen We have 2 million characters per month for all the translators.
15:27 Gronk Seriman Ah.
15:27 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Raises hand
15:28 Wordsmith Jarvinen Which is also why I'm keeping a fairly tight hand on ones that use our access keys.
15:28 Gronk Seriman Understandable.
15:28 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) I've given Word a list of plaza staff whom I believe are the most likely frequent users of the translator. If I missed you, please talk to me.
15:29 Sandie Harbour I am just curious about the implementation
15:29 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Is it possible for heavy users to set up their on account on google and have their translator run through their own account. reducing the load on the group units?
15:29 Wordsmith Jarvinen First priority is given to those who are actively working the Oxbridge quad.
15:29 Wordsmith Jarvinen You didn't miss her, Larky.
15:30 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) I wasn't speaking of specific people, just FYI in general
15:30 Wordsmith Jarvinen It would be, Miss Andrea. It also requires a PHP capable website.
15:30 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Would you need to do the setup?
15:30 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Or can that be taught
15:30 Wordsmith Jarvinen In fact, someone could set up a paid account for as much usage as they wished.
15:31 Wordsmith Jarvinen The setup could be taught.
15:31 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) CAn the group translators run on more than one account?
15:31 Barbara Collazo Wouldn't it be great if we could have a Tower of Babel? log in and it tells you anything said, in your language?
15:32 Carl Metropolitan Right now this may not even be an issue. Wordsmith's translators will run though Bing translate which allows two million words per month per account free.
15:32 Lindal Kidd and that is a LOT of translating
15:32 Meora (menchor) words or characters?
15:32 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Nodds.
15:32 Carl Metropolitan We are unlikely -- as long as the use of the translators is confined to Oxbridge -- to exceed taht
15:32 Carl Metropolitan Characters
15:32 Carl Metropolitan Sorry
15:32 Wordsmith Jarvinen Characters
15:32 Carl Metropolitan My fault
15:32 Jasmin Jolbey and considering some of us already have paid translators not everyone will be eating into that
15:32 Carl Metropolitan But still, that's a lot.
15:33 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Still, preparation for the future ans all
15:33 Sandie Harbour if a picture is worth 1000 words, that is 2000 pictures
15:33 Wordsmith Jarvinen As to ones for Oxbridge, I don't want to set up the appearance of hacking MicroSoft by running multiple free accounts that all point to our website.
15:34 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) nodds
15:36 Wordsmith Jarvinen But there's no problem I see without someone else setting up their own MS and Azure Market account, subscribing to a free or paid level of the translator service, and then registering THEIR app, and substantially using my coding.
15:36 Wordsmith Jarvinen *I see with someone.......
15:38 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Will you be offering a class on teaching how to set it up? Or a nc?
15:38 Lindal Kidd As a comparison, I just checked my last month's local chat log...it comes to about 1.7 million characters.
15:38 Wordsmith Jarvinen I've got a notecard. Setup is rather click on / click off.
15:39 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) pastes duct tape over her mouth
15:39 Barbara Collazo Trying to get your quota down, Larky? :)
15:39 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Rips it off for larky
15:39 Carl Metropolitan Yes, but keep in mind you will not be translating everything!
15:39 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) grins
15:39 Carl Metropolitan The idea is to turn the translator on when you need it and turn it off when you are done.
15:40 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) does the translator translate when there is no one ESL around?
15:40 Wordsmith Jarvinen No.
15:41 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) I mean, are character items going up against it? I wouldn't think so.
15:41 Wordsmith Jarvinen Not the way it determines languages now, by how the avatar is registered.
15:42 Wordsmith Jarvinen I'll likely need to add some ability to manually add an active language or ignore one -- it looks like those on phones show an empty language field.
15:42 Sandie Harbour thinks Dean Jarvinen is doing an amazing job
15:43 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) agrees
15:43 Wordsmith Jarvinen But, for those interested in the technical side of it, likely best to talk with me later.
15:43 Wordsmith Jarvinen Since there may be some actual questions on other things.
15:44 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) would like to make an announcement
15:44 Lindal Kidd perks up her ears
15:44 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Avel Luna and Aylaria have been promoted to Tutor this past week. They've both worked very hard in the plaza, and I'm quite pleased to welcome them.
15:45 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Yay
15:45 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Good to hear.
15:45 Aylaria (emberell) waves happily! ^.=.^
15:45 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) I can agree to that.
15:45 Gronk Seriman applauds!
15:45 Jasmin Jolbey always good to have more help at oxbridge :)
15:45 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) At least as far as Aylaria is concerned.
15:45 Carl Metropolitan They are very welcome!
15:46 Aylaria (emberell) I'm quite happy to be here to help out, with all you wonderful people!
15:46 Fauve Aeon {{please excuse me}}
15:47 Marley Harley (marleyharley) Congratulations, lady Dragon :)
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15:47 Gronk Seriman I don't think Aylaria will fit into the Secret Tutor Lounge.
15:47 Jasmin Jolbey there is a secret tutor lounge?
15:47 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Neither do I :-)
15:47 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) We're building a dragon lair into the corner, just for her, Gronk
15:47 Lindal Kidd yes, but it's a secret!
15:47 Aylaria (emberell) I fit just fine into the bath tub!
15:47 Sandie Harbour but she is one of the sweetest souls here
15:47 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) use the skybox instead
15:47 Aylaria (emberell) Oh, what, that's the pool?
15:47 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) the hidden one
15:48 Jasmin Jolbey all the secrets I know about were removed about 3 years ago ;)
15:48 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Well umm nevermind then
15:48 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Dragon Olympics sized, Aylaria
15:49 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) raises hand for another announcement
15:49 Carl Metropolitan Announce away.
15:50 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) I'll be presenting a second Tutor Training this week. Two sessions to try to accommodate as many time zones as possible. Subject: Working with visitors who don't speak English.
15:50 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Wednesday at noon, Friday at 7pmSLT this week.
15:50 Wordsmith Jarvinen Which are both up on the current class schedule.
15:50 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Everyone is welcome - you don'thave to be on staff.
15:51 Carl Metropolitan Assisting the Non-English?
15:51 Lindal Kidd ja! da! Oui. Si. uh huh.
15:51 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) As an American born and bred, I couldn't justify that, Carl.
15:51 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) ;^)
15:51 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Kyllä
15:52 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) but the lecture will be presented in Lowland Fae
15:52 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Excuse me for standing everyone. I seem to keep sinking into the floor
15:52 Carl Metropolitan Something to help out with the cultural differences when dealing with Americans, Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, Scotts, etc?
15:52 Lindal Kidd is that like Mermish?
15:52 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) LOL. It's very close, but more literary, Lindal
15:52 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Not quite as all wet.
15:52 Barbara Collazo yah--like what is Marmite?
15:53 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) shudders
15:53 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) We use marmite on our countertops, Barbara
15:53 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) So much nicer than tile
15:53 Wordsmith Jarvinen And not to confuse Marmite with Chocolate.
15:53 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Is hungry now.
15:53 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) ooooo! chocolate counters?
15:53 Gronk Seriman ...or Vegimite.
15:53 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) never bothers to count her chocolate intake
15:54 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Welcome Red
15:54 Barbara Collazo Word, can the translator translate "eh" for us?
15:55 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) meh it should
15:55 Wordsmith Jarvinen It may come out still as "eh".
15:55 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) ah bay say quarto ...
15:55 Barbara Collazo You know how to spell that country to the north of us? C-eh-n-eh-d-eh
15:56 Jayleden Miles I want mine to translate everything into Tolkien's elven.
15:56 Wordsmith Jarvinen MS does offer two dialects of Klingon.
15:56 Jayleden Miles grins
15:57 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Raises hand?
15:57 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) No Thuum translation yet
15:57 Carl Metropolitan Yes, Andrea?
15:57 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Any word on the airships and carriages?
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15:58 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) From Des or others?
15:58 Carl Metropolitan None that I've heard.
15:58 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) OK thanks
15:58 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Jorge is rearranging things
15:58 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Ask him.
15:58 Wordsmith Jarvinen I told Mr. Serapis I would look over what scripting I had access to.
15:58 Jayleden Miles A globla EM told me that Desmond said he does have the carriages but he won't put them out again untll he gets around tuit...what a tuit is - I don't know.
15:59 Wordsmith Jarvinen He had encountered an "It ought to be working" situation.
15:59 Sandie Harbour are there any square tuits?
15:59 Wordsmith Jarvinen kk They might have to routed again, but it's nice to know it is possible.
15:59 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Who would I speak to in Caledon about it since it is outside of the COU
16:00 Jayleden Miles I think the tuit has to be round.
16:00 Wordsmith Jarvinen About which, Miss Jones?
16:00 Carl Metropolitan Desmond is the person to speak to about the carriages. But he knows already and is just overloaded
16:01 Barbara Collazo I have one you can give him, Jay
16:01 Carl Metropolitan Jorge Serapis is in charge of the Airships and is presumably working on them too.
16:01 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) Ah ok then thanks
16:01 Jayleden Miles Jorge also just lost a good friend - Soliel - so---he might be distracted currently.
16:02 Josain Zsun Any change of status of the Library parcel? I see an accumulation of prims on all levels, which should tell a miscreant Rezzing is allowed and there is no Auto-Return.
16:02 Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) AH so sorry to hear that.
16:02 Jayleden Miles Lark and I had Mari down to return the litter from the library last night. But yeah there is a lot.
16:03 BadAss Fae (larkylouz) Mari was fairly put out that there isn't adequate auto-return
16:04 Jayleden Miles yeah Mari was irked about it - she wrote to Desmond - ....I told her we're waiting on Desmond to change out a couple of the EMs
16:04 Wordsmith Jarvinen I believe a new group has been set up, but there may be a process of deeding to it, and that can easily leave scripts unreadable if one isn't careful.
16:05 Wordsmith Jarvinen (in re to the library)
16:05 Carl Metropolitan It is an ongoing issue over which we have little control.
16:05 Carl Metropolitan I wrote JJ Drinkwater about it a few weeks ago. Let me check and see if he or I dropped the ball.
16:05 Wordsmith Jarvinen Thanks, Carl.
16:06 Carl Metropolitan I have not heard from him since my April 5th letter
16:06 Wordsmith Jarvinen Well, unless there is something rather quick, we've reached our time.
16:06 Carl Metropolitan He is of the opinion that the library parcel must allow rezzing for their system to work.
16:06 Jayleden Miles JJ is infamous for being lackluster about responding.
16:06 Carl Metropolitan Desmond was apparently talking to him, too.
16:07 Jayleden Miles Not sure what they have that rezzes?
16:07 Jasmin Jolbey its not rezzing thats the issue its returning and banning/ejecting permissions
16:07 Jayleden Miles Agrees with Jasmin
16:07 Carl Metropolitan Yes. Please keep in mind, Oxbridge does not own or control that land.
16:08 Jasmin Jolbey there was a fellow in there yesterday, and all oxbridge staff on hand had no power to do anything unfortnatly
16:08 Wordsmith Jarvinen And, better not to have group return permissions for things belonging to the library.
16:08 Carl Metropolitan No do we pay for it.
16:08 Jayleden Miles Yes, but that is part of the issue for the staff here in dealing with griefers.
16:08 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Griefers have launched attacks from that area.
16:08 Jayleden Miles It'd help if Desmond could get us two new EMs who are here a lot.
16:08 Carl Metropolitan I know. I'm explaining why we have limited control
16:09 Carl Metropolitan Larky is going to replace David as an EM
16:09 Jayleden Miles namely Larky and Word.
16:09 Carl Metropolitan Wordsmith is already an EM, I think.
16:09 Wordsmith Jarvinen Nope.
16:09 Carl Metropolitan If he's not, that needs to change.
16:09 Carl Metropolitan Okay.
16:09 Jayleden Miles Marion still is.
16:10 Wordsmith Jarvinen kk Shall we adjourn at this point?
16:11 Jayleden Miles I having nothing more, unless there are more volunteers for the fall event? *looks about*
16:11 Jasmin Jolbey depends what you need really
16:12 Barbara Collazo I'd like to know more about the event first
16:12 Marley Harley (marleyharley) Fall seems far
16:12 Aylaria (emberell) It's only a quick drop, Marley
16:12 Wordsmith Jarvinen Hearing no objections, the Q&A is adjourned, with individual issues to individual communications.
16:12 Jayleden Miles Yes - but it takes ages to get things done...that pesky rl gets in the way
16:12 Aylaria (emberell) Thank you, as always, for taking the time to answer our questions!
16:12 Sandie Harbour I'm not sure what I am volunteering for but maybe I can help
16:12 Jasmin Jolbey thanks for your time deans ;)
16:12 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Bedtime for me.
16:12 Gronk Seriman Thank you, Deans!
16:13 Jasmin Jolbey night elf