| 15:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Tali has (as previously announced) stepped down from her administrative role at Oxbridge. |
| 15:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
David is still out with medical issues. |
| 15:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And so that just leaves Lindal who just logged on :) |
| 15:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
She should be here momentarily |
| 15:01 |
Larkylouz |
I heard from David yesterday. He said to tell you all that while he can't be here today, his sight is much better and he expects to be back soon. |
| 15:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Good |
| 15:02 |
Carl Metropolitan |
That's great news |
| 15:03 |
Gronk Seriman |
Oo! A graph! |
| 15:03 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Hi again. Sorry phone there |
| 15:04 |
Lindal Kidd |
huff huff huff |
| 15:04 |
Larkylouz |
Yes. I plan to issue him a personal copy of a ban script so he'll log off when needed and take care of himself! |
| 15:04 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Why is the phone sorry? :-) |
| 15:04 |
Larkylouz |
Welcome Lindal! |
| 15:04 |
Larkylouz |
He just means he has to answe3r the RL phone |
| 15:04 |
Lindal Kidd |
I'd've got here faster if I wasn't carrying this chair! |
| 15:04 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) |
| 15:04 |
Larkylouz |
Oh, got it Elfbiter! ;^p |
| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thank you. That's a great way of breaking it down, Wordsmith |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Am I correct is seeing that the chart only deals with Avatars 8 days or younger? |
| 15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That's the avatar age distribution we've had in classes since about the first of the year. |
| 15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
No. I just didn't get the script bar labels in. |
| 15:06 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Ah. Okay. |
| 15:06 |
Samm Florian |
OK, 'cause otherwise somethin' weird happens t'folks after th'first week. |
| 15:06 |
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Samm Florian grins. |
| 15:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
From bottom to top: <10 days, <30, <90, <180, <360, <720, <1440, >= 1440. |
| 15:08 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Well, Samm, there's no saying it doesn't .... but that's not on the graph. |
| 15:08 |
Carl Metropolitan |
So what this shows, is even with trivia and Q&A taken out, older avatars still account for about 1/4 of our class attendees. |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
Or more, depending on your definition of "older": |
| 15:09 |
Samm Florian |
We need some control data though: what would this graph look like fer folks passin' through other regions? |
| 15:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes. We're weakest in the 90-360 day range. |
| 15:10 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Well, this is class data, so taking classes in other regions. |
| 15:10 |
Tali Rosca |
That makes sense, though. I'd imagine that's when people have gotten a sense of what SL is about, and are out exploring. |
| 15:10 |
Lindal Kidd |
<---agrees with Tali |
| 15:11 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I think that this supports the idea that we may need a wider variety of classes, including some very newbie once (avatar appearance, profiles, search, inventory) as well as some more advanced ones |
| 15:13 |
Samm Florian |
Wouldn't that kinda overlap with th'tutorial, though? |
| 15:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I've also gone through my notecards since early December and collected recommendations received for classes and teachers.. I've a few more places to glean, but putting that altogether now into a "we need" letter. |
| 15:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
(and yes, I do have a meeting/class for tutors in there) |
| 15:14 |
Lindal Kidd |
I don't think so Samm...the classes should reinforce and build on the tutorial. |
| 15:14 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay. Once we have that, what do YOU need from Oxbridge and the rest of us to make more classes a reality? More help? More money? |
| 15:14 |
Samm Florian |
Teachers, I reckon. |
| 15:14 |
Meora (menchor) |
the trouble is newbies have different things they want to learn and some want more detail than the tutorial |
| 15:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
More bodies that can organize material and teach it so that others gain workable understanding. |
| 15:15 |
Larkylouz |
Yes, I agree with Lindal. Some folks need more practice/instruction than the tutorial. And some folks are more able/willing to learn on their own than others. |
| 15:15 |
Daisy (thegator) |
I reckon it's a lot of work, teaching. |
| 15:15 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is. |
| 15:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Meora, if you glean specifics on that, let me know ... if their are patterns. |
| 15:16 |
Larkylouz |
The class development takes me hours, Ms. Daisy |
| 15:16 |
Meora (menchor) |
not that I have noticed I was drawing on my own time as a newbie |
| 15:16 |
Dingo Qin |
Mr.Jarvinen, will you be pulling the bodies from the tutor pool, or from outside resources? |
| 15:16 |
Daisy (thegator) |
I've thought about teaching but have never tried, it seems like a lot of work... and I might be terrible at it! |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The likely answer is ... yes. |
| 15:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I'm going to post to both the current faculty group (COU) and to ISC. |
| 15:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But some of the teacher suggestions are to those not currently on faculty who have been teaching. |
| 15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I also know people who teach who are not associated with the steamlands, if you want to go there. |
| 15:18 |
Phrynne |
I don't see any reason *not* to look there, if they know something they can teach here. |
| 15:18 |
Phrynne |
especially if it's something we need. |
| 15:18 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We want teachers to gains some familiarity with Caledon and its culture --- to behave accordingly, but how that happens can be flexible. |
| 15:19 |
Samm Florian |
Ya know, it might be good t'develop a pool of substitute teachers too, and that might be a good way fer folks t'get their feet wet. |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay. That's a good idea, too Samm |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Maybe along with a set of class outlines. |
| 15:20 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That's happened in some cases. |
| 15:20 |
Larkylouz |
That would make the classes more consistent, too. |
| 15:21 |
Dingo Qin |
It would be nice to have substitutes for canceled classes |
| 15:21 |
Samm Florian |
Outline? That sounds like work! :( |
| 15:21 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We've had Jayle step in for Lucien several times. And Wendyslippers has lined up a substitute. |
| 15:22 |
Larkylouz |
I'd think that just editing a transcript of your class might give one a good start, Samm. |
| 15:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome, Vicerine. |
| 15:24 |
Kamilah Hauptmann |
Don't mine me, I'm just here to randomly grief the place. :) |
| 15:24 |
Carl Metropolitan |
VWBPE was this week. Oxbridge had a booth there and as part of the Help Education Quorum we conducted a round table event hosted by Brace Coral (of NCI) and myself. |
| 15:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Was that videoed, Carl? |
| 15:24 |
Carl Metropolitan |
My finger is on the eject button |
| 15:24 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Apparently not. |
| 15:25 |
KIT (rectorarrowsmith.wasp) |
VWBPE was MOST interesting !! |
| 15:25 |
Lindal Kidd |
did some of the attendees try the Quest? |
| 15:25 |
Gronk Seriman |
Were there any known Lindens there? |
| 15:25 |
KIT (rectorarrowsmith.wasp) |
Only one |
| 15:25 |
Lindal Kidd |
Ebbe gave the keynote |
| 15:25 |
Josain Zsun |
About 6 went |
| 15:25 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Xiola Linden was at the HEQ event |
| 15:25 |
Dingo Qin |
I tried the quest...and am currently stuck on the airship |
| 15:26 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The Oxbridge display is still up, but it is pretty much the same as last years. |
| 15:26 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I just updated some of the posters. |
| 15:28 |
Carl Metropolitan |
That was my focus this week. |
| 15:28 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Well, RL work was mostly my focus this week :) |
| 15:28 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Lindal, do you have anything you want to report? |
| 15:28 |
Lindal Kidd |
yes sir |
| 15:29 |
Lindal Kidd |
My assistant Phrynne has made wonderful progress on updating the language landmarks |
| 15:29 |
Lindal Kidd |
also |
| 15:29 |
Lindal Kidd |
we had some discussion this week on scholar home positions |
| 15:29 |
Lindal Kidd |
I updated the notecard on that |
| 15:29 |
Lindal Kidd |
to (hopefully) clarify that either the rose garden or the village chat circle are acceptable home positions |
| 15:30 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Great. |
| 15:30 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay... Let's move on to questions from the audience. |
| 15:30 |
Lindal Kidd |
the new Faculty Kits should be ready soon, also |
| 15:30 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Ask us anything. |
| 15:31 |
Larkylouz |
That's wonderful, Lindal! Thank you to both of you for all your hard work! |
| 15:32 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Other questions? |
| 15:33 |
Daisy (thegator) |
Well, I have a question about sounds and scripts.... |
| 15:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
nods |
| 15:34 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Please ask us |
| 15:34 |
Daisy (thegator) |
I'm having problems with lag in my song script, I was wondering if there was a way to fix that. Someone said there was but I didn't understand their answer entirely, not really being a scripter. |
| 15:34 |
Daisy (thegator) |
She said something about Preloading sounds I think and setting them to zero volume |
| 15:35 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Hmm... Any scripters have time to look at Daisy's script after the Q&A? |
| 15:35 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There is a function to preload sounds before they are actually played. wiki.secondlife.com |
| 15:36 |
Daisy (thegator) |
yesh, I think that's the one she was referring to, but I wasn't sure how it related to volume. |
| 15:36 |
Kamilah Hauptmann |
Or play it once beforehand at zero volume if you know there's going to b some delay. |
| 15:37 |
Daisy (thegator) |
Yes, I've tried playing it beforehand at zero volume but I can't see it makes any difference. |
| 15:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It doesn't directly relate to volume. It relates to having the sound clips ready to play with minimal lag. |
| 15:38 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Does anyone who knows scripting (i.e., not me) have time to look at her script? |
| 15:38 |
Daisy (thegator) |
I think I know someone at Raglan U who knows this sort of thing so not to worry, I can ask her. |
| 15:38 |
KIT (rectorarrowsmith.wasp) |
If not too radical an idea would any thought be given to a general Chat Group for Caledon ? Not so much for questions but a group with fewer protocols for exchanging ideas and general chit chat Carl? |
| 15:38 |
Kamilah Hauptmann |
Pass the script here I'll have a quick boo. |
| 15:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
For Caledon, there is one. |
| 15:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
ISC |
| 15:39 |
Daisy (thegator) |
hang on |
| 15:39 |
Daisy (thegator) |
I think the latest script is in an object, if i can rez it here. |
| 15:39 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Most people use the ISC group for that. |
| 15:40 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Independent State of Caledon |
| 15:40 |
KIT (rectorarrowsmith.wasp) |
Do you have that group URI for that please? |
| 15:40 |
Samm Florian |
Unlike COUG, ISC is by invitation. |
| 15:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I can give you an invite to it kit |
| 15:40 |
Carl Metropolitan |
ISC is a chat group. |
| 15:40 |
KIT (rectorarrowsmith.wasp) |
Ahh thank you Wordsmith |
| 15:40 |
Carl Metropolitan |
People are always talking in it. |
| 15:40 |
Carl Metropolitan |
We try to keep COUG clear for "live help" and announcements. |
| 15:41 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is a place for people to be able to ask questions at any time. |
| 15:41 |
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Lindal Kidd gasps at the Chancellor's skill at understatement |
| 15:42 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) |
| 15:42 |
Gronk Seriman |
oh, no! |
| 15:43 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay... Moving on, next question? |
| 15:43 |
Gronk Seriman |
is anybody else suffering graphics porblems at the moment? |
| 15:44 |
Dingo Qin |
yes |
| 15:44 |
Lindal Kidd |
I seem to be OK |
| 15:44 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Not here |
| 15:45 |
Carl Metropolitan |
A lot of that will have to do with individual computer and connection issues. |
| 15:45 |
Larkylouz |
Aside from the delusion that I see a big green alligator with a tiara sitting in front of me, I'm fine. |
| 15:45 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Though SL is traditionally a bit slower than normal Sunday afternoons, because of higher use. |
| 15:45 |
KIT (rectorarrowsmith.wasp) |
No problems reported on SL Grid http://status.secondlifegrid.net/ so probably indvidual settings Gronk |
| 15:46 |
Gronk Seriman |
I'm better now, but still not right. I thought somebody set off a graphics bomb for a moment. |
| 15:46 |
Lindal Kidd |
The alligator is a mass hallucination, if it IS a hallucination...I see her too. |
| 15:47 |
Larkylouz |
LOL |
| 15:47 |
Daisy (thegator) |
Yesh, no alligators here, no no. All is safe. No need to be afraid... muaha. |
| 15:47 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Now let me address the elephant in the room. |
| 15:47 |
KIT (rectorarrowsmith.wasp) |
A jolly useful page for live online avatar numbers here http://etitsup.com/slstatistics/online-now-last-24hrs :-)) |
| 15:48 |
Samm Florian |
There's an elephant too? |
| 15:48 |
|
Larkylouz giggles |
| 15:49 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Elephant? |
| 15:49 |
|
Phrynne notices the ghost of an elephant sleeping by the far wall |
| 15:49 |
Larkylouz |
Pachyderm? |
| 15:49 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Any other questions? |
| 15:50 |
Dex Euromat |
I really like Caledon tutorial, which contains the Mac keys translation. I included the landmark into my new usres tips notecards (from time to time I'm helping newcomers). |
| 15:51 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thank you. |
| 15:52 |
Dex Euromat |
Do you experienced someone from Polish communities at Caledon? |
| 15:52 |
Lindal Kidd |
Polish people do come through once in a while |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Miss Larky has pointed out the usefulness of having some bilingual staff. |
| 15:53 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I don't believe we have anyone with polish language skills available, though. |
| 15:53 |
Dingo Qin |
Translators work well though? |
| 15:54 |
Phrynne |
Reasonably well for short sentences. |
| 15:54 |
Lindal Kidd |
The White Tiger Mentors maintain a list of helpers who can speak various languages. Perhaps we should try to do the same? |
| 15:54 |
Larkylouz |
Seems like we had something at one point. I'd have to look. Do you remember, Phrynne? Either a person, or perhaps a sim? |
| 15:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
They help, but at this point lack support. |
| 15:55 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Some of the machine translations are.... amusing at best... |
| 15:55 |
Larkylouz |
I have be3en trying to find folks who are willing to volunteer, Lindal. I have a short list, but they are primarily spanish and Portuguese speakers, many of whom we already know. |
| 15:55 |
Phrynne |
There was a help sim that was going to open. I have not gotten to it yet to check. |
| 15:55 |
Dex Euromat |
The best machine translator so far is microsoft one. I am Polish language native speaker and have learned English for whole education period. |
| 15:55 |
Larkylouz |
I think the translators work better with romance languages than they do others. That's just my impression. |
| 15:56 |
Larkylouz |
Really? I shall have to look into that one, Mr. Euromat. |
| 15:56 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Finnish results are certainly..... lacking |
| 15:56 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Dex if you are interested in volunteering to help Polish speakers, please let Larky know. |
| 15:57 |
|
Kamilah Hauptmann hopefully set Daisy up with something workable, but must toodle off. :) |
| 15:57 |
Larkylouz |
Yes, I would be delighted! I don't have anything organized yet, but it is a pet project of mine. Someday, I'd like to have notecard givers in the tutorial, in different languages, so the entire tutorial could be translated. That's a ways off, though. |
| 15:57 |
Daisy (thegator) |
Yup, thanks Kamilah :) |
| 15:58 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Any final questions? |
| 15:58 |
Dex Euromat |
I'm participating in one of language learning communities in SL. Also part of First Polish e-university project. |
| 15:58 |
Dingo Qin |
Thank you for the lively discussion this evening. |
| 15:58 |
Samm Florian |
That card we give out to differnt language speakers, tellin' 'em where they can go fer help: is that card available from a vendor? |
| 15:58 |
Larkylouz |
And everyone should wear a translator. It is a source of constant amusement to watch the strange translations of common words. |
| 15:59 |
Larkylouz |
Not that I'm aware of, Samm. That's a good idea. |
| 15:59 |
Samm Florian |
LSL can theoretically detect th'language that a person's viewer is set to. |
| 15:59 |
Phrynne |
Samm, it's not one card, it's about 15. |
| 15:59 |
Dex Euromat |
I'm not a teacher RL, but I like to share my knowledge |
| 15:59 |
Samm Florian |
Cards then. :) |
| 15:59 |
Carl Metropolitan |
We need a vendor for our notecards once we get a meaningful sized set of them. |
| 15:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I've put together a HUD that displays language setting, Samm. |
| 16:00 |
Lindal Kidd |
that's a cool gadget, Dean Jarvinen |
| 16:00 |
Samm Florian |
Ya could have a vendor watchin' fer newbies who speak somethin' other'n English, and give 'em a card right away. (Only once, preferably.) |
| 16:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Did you get one, Miss Kidd? (V 1.1) |
| 16:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Well, I need to run. Thanks to everyone for coming this afternoon. |
| 16:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks you all. |
| 16:01 |
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Dingo Qin claps |
| 16:01 |
Samm Florian |
Bye evrybuddy! |
| 16:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Bye |
| 16:01 |
Tali Rosca |
Just as a side note, we do have the "detect newcomers in the sim" script running, as well as a language detection for greetings. |