| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
Welcome to another QA. |
| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
As many of you know, this is a somewhat freeform questions-and-answers session/panel discussion about topics related to Oxbridge in particular and SL in general. |
| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
The deans will endeavour to answer questions. We each have an area of expertise, as listed here http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php |
| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
So, who has the first question? |
| 15:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
No one immediately jumping on TOS? |
| 15:04 |
Meora (menchor) |
any observations on the TOS change? |
| 15:04 |
Red Quixote |
I understand we have a new classroom location, and that Ravelli has deployed a lecture hall |
| 15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
Let us take the ToS first. |
| 15:04 |
Red Quixote |
np |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
New rules for that. |
| 15:05 |
Cinnamongirl (gingerprincess68) |
I was wondering if any of the lectures are progressive in nature ? you know...intro to and on from there? |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
When it comes to skill gaming, well, it's as announced. |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The new ToS does seem to restrict the uses that LL can use your content to only their virtual worlds. However, it is written in a very much less-than-clear manner. |
| 15:05 |
Josain Zsun |
ToS looks to still need some work on specifics |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
When it comes to the IP questions, rarely have I seen so unanimous consensus amongst SL bloggers that the update changes absolutely nothing. |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Unless corporate policy is obfuscation, they should fire their lawyers. |
| 15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
At the core, they kept the "for any purpose in all media", which is the problematic clause. |
| 15:06 |
Steadman Kondor |
most corporate law is obfuscation! |
| 15:06 |
Ninjanizer |
what is a TOS? |
| 15:06 |
Steadman Kondor |
they are just trying to cover their butts if they want to sell off shares in SL in future perhaps |
| 15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
The "clarification" they added does not apply to that clause. |
| 15:06 |
ααℓιуαн (subtlefire) |
umm...what is tos? |
| 15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
The Terms of Service. |
| 15:06 |
Larkylouz |
Terms of Service |
| 15:06 |
Ninjanizer |
ah |
| 15:06 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is questionable, Tali |
| 15:07 |
Meora (menchor) |
you agreed to them |
| 15:07 |
Tali Rosca |
If so, you're the only one I have seen question it. |
| 15:07 |
Carl Metropolitan |
That is why I think it is a mess. |
| 15:07 |
Tali Rosca |
I'm not saying that to be snarky. |
| 15:07 |
Carl Metropolitan |
No. You could be right. I will review it again. |
| 15:08 |
Tali Rosca |
The "*And* for any purpose in any media" explicitly comes *after* the sentence where they added the "clarification". |
| 15:08 |
Tali Rosca |
Essentially, it turns the previous list into an "included, but not limited to" list of examples. |
| 15:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Tali, for those new to all this could you quickly summarize the history and problem? |
| 15:10 |
Steadman Kondor |
*waiting |
| 15:10 |
Tali Rosca |
I was just writing that :-) |
| 15:10 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
heh |
| 15:10 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I am looking at paragraph 2.3 again. |
| 15:10 |
Gronk Seriman |
The Terms Of Service is that legalese you have to agree to in order to use Second Life. Linden Lab recently made a change that has some creators of stuff here up in arms. The MOST recent change is what we are discussing now. |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
The terms of service is, obviously, the terms you agree to when you join SL. Roughly a year ago, it was updated with a controversial clause which required you to grant Linden Lab a license to use anything you create "for any purpose, in all media". |
| 15:11 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I think that it would be hard for LL to argue based on the language and the history of the contract and statements made by their senior management that the broad reading of the IP license is correct. |
| 15:11 |
Meora (menchor) |
And they didn't win the lawsuit with it |
| 15:11 |
Carl Metropolitan |
As I said, the language is very badly written. |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
Usually, such hosting services include a clause which says that the provider can "reformat, redistribute" and a long list of similar rights, *for the purpose of providing the service*. |
| 15:12 |
Tali Rosca |
SL previously used the same phrasing, but it was explicitly changed to "for any purpose in all media". |
| 15:13 |
Tali Rosca |
Causing an outcry, as creators felt LL was making an unreasonable rights grab, and creating some legal snags which makes it difficult to use 3rd party material, since you're required to give away rights you do not even have yourself. |
| 15:13 |
Tali Rosca |
This week, LL finally updated the ToS, ostensibly to address those problems, but there is wide consensus that the words they added did nothing to change the actual, problematic clause. |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
I think that was the very fast recap. |
| 15:14 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Fast enough. ;) |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
Any questions to that? |
| 15:15 |
ααℓιуαн (subtlefire) |
So basically the merchants are worried about it ? |
| 15:15 |
Martini Discovolante |
the creators |
| 15:16 |
Tali Rosca |
Strangely, no, they are not the ones hit worst. |
| 15:16 |
Tali Rosca |
Because as LL rightfully point out, they are not in the business of stealing people's work. |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And some 3rd parties that started disallowing use of textures in SL. |
| 15:16 |
Tali Rosca |
So you can probably rest fairly assured that LL will not suddenly open a shop and start selling your items. |
| 15:16 |
Tali Rosca |
But educators and writers, for example, are hit very badly. |
| 15:16 |
Carl Metropolitan |
You could however read the language such that it allows LL to transfer works from SL into SL2. |
| 15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
Because by uploading things to LL, you forfeit all chance to sell your work, since you have already given away all rights. |
| 15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
No publisher will pay you for something you have already given away. |
| 15:18 |
ααℓιуαн (subtlefire) |
hmm. okay. |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
And you cannot do contract work, because no customer will pay you for something which you then also give away to a 3rd party. |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
It also creates a problem if you, as creator, wants to use library materials; textures or models. |
| 15:19 |
Tali Rosca |
Such materials usually come with a clause that you have to attribute the original creator, or that it can only be used as an embedded part of a full build, or similar license requirements. |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
You can do contract work. As long as the contract work is agreed to be uploaded to SL. If you are doing contract work that's not intended for SL, then the ToS is irrelevant. |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
Since LL requires you to give away rights to do *anything* with it... well, those rights are not yours to give. |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
And yes, of course, if the customer understands and agrees to the terms, you can do it. |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
But you cannot, say, prototype shapes before using them elsewhere. |
| 15:21 |
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| 15:21 |
Tali Rosca |
But the point I wanted to make is that it's more a legal hurdle for such work than it's a threat that LL will suddenly open a shop and compete against you with your own wares. |
| 15:21 |
Steadman Kondor |
If LL is charging users to 'view' SL, I would not want to see spurious agitated creators claiming copyright violation. |
| 15:21 |
Steadman Kondor |
We need to give LL a break |
| 15:21 |
Steadman Kondor |
They are trying their best, and so is Ebbe Linden |
| 15:21 |
Carl Metropolitan |
If you are using SL for prototyping then you are probably better off using an opensim solution anyway. |
| 15:22 |
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Tali Rosca nods. "OpenSim would be a good choice for such work." |
| 15:22 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We likely should move on ... a couple of other pending questions. |
| 15:22 |
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Tali Rosca nods. |
| 15:22 |
Tali Rosca |
The hall. |
| 15:23 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
and progressive classes |
| 15:23 |
Red Quixote |
that was more of a statement, than a question |
| 15:23 |
Tali Rosca |
Let us take the classes first. That one is easy. |
| 15:23 |
Tali Rosca |
No. |
| 15:23 |
Tali Rosca |
:-) |
| 15:23 |
Tali Rosca |
Currently, all classes are "one-shots". |
| 15:24 |
Tali Rosca |
Though the contents may vary a little from session to session, depending on questions. |
| 15:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
No, some have multiple parts managed and announced by the instructor. |
| 15:24 |
Red Quixote |
I beg to differ, the animation classes I provide, have a 1st & second class,.. as does building |
| 15:24 |
Martini Discovolante |
buildign is listed as Beginning and advanced |
| 15:24 |
Gronk Seriman |
Photo Salon continues to evolve and build on what was taught before. |
| 15:25 |
Larkylouz |
Also, Photo Salon varies from week to week. |
| 15:25 |
Red Quixote |
aye, another exception |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
I stand corrected, then. |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
So, is there any way to know when you can join a class? |
| 15:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Right. So, in general we try to include something about that in the description and the instructor announces the specifics for the weeks. |
| 15:26 |
Larkylouz |
In Photo Salon? Any one can come, although if they have not taken the basic class, they will be a bit lost. We always have people of various skill levels - that's part of the fun and the learning. |
| 15:26 |
Red Quixote |
suggestions and requests for classes are always welcome too |
| 15:26 |
Red Quixote |
at least I welcome them |
| 15:27 |
Tali Rosca |
Do we have any classes which explicitly are "part 1" and "part 2" alternating, and you have to have been at the previous to understand the next? (Or otherwise have equivalent skill). |
| 15:27 |
Steadman Kondor |
Do you mean, dean wordsmith, that we might put , series 1 of 3, or something like that |
| 15:27 |
Steadman Kondor |
yes ditto miss rosca |
| 15:27 |
Martini Discovolante |
Tali, Building has Beginning and Advanced |
| 15:27 |
Tali Rosca |
-Not counting those which are explicitly listed as "basic" and "advanced" as they are listed as such. |
| 15:28 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Something like #1 of 3 and the topic. |
| 15:28 |
Martini Discovolante |
folks need to know if a class is sequential |
| 15:28 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
It might be an idea to have a rotating topic for the "advanced" classes of scripting/building. so prim torture one week, alignment another week, prim economy another week |
| 15:28 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
not sequential, but building from the basic version of the class |
| 15:29 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
because there can be a lot of ground to cover in an "advanced" class |
| 15:29 |
Tali Rosca |
That would be a 3rd variation, where you were "guaranteed" that a class would be new; not just "perhaps, if somebody asks different questions". It would still not be a specific sequence, though. |
| 15:30 |
Martini Discovolante |
i think that has to be up to the individual teacher.... classes take a huge amount of tiem to prepare |
| 15:30 |
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Sauce Sorrowman nods |
| 15:30 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Red, when you say 1 and 2 you're referring to Friday and Tuesday classes? |
| 15:30 |
Meora (menchor) |
there was the griefers showed up variant of Avatar Safety |
| 15:30 |
Red Quixote |
yes |
| 15:31 |
Tali Rosca |
Oh, but those are listed as two entirely different classes with different names. |
| 15:31 |
Larkylouz |
LOL Meora. I have wondered if Lindal hires her friends to enhance Avatar Safety. <just joking> |
| 15:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So, that's not varying within the same slot while photo salon does. |
| 15:31 |
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Steadman Kondor chuckles |
| 15:31 |
Red Quixote |
that is a quirk of SL,.. I originally named them 1 & 2 |
| 15:31 |
Martini Discovolante |
we should all get huge black moostaches and "help" Prof Kidd out :P |
| 15:32 |
Meora (menchor) |
it made for a good class |
| 15:32 |
Tali Rosca |
I'd still say the general point stands: If it's listed as one weekly time slot, you can generally drop in any week. |
| 15:32 |
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Sauce Sorrowman prepares the anvil dropper |
| 15:32 |
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Larkylouz grins at Martini as she pictures a small kitten in a pink flowered dress with a huge black moostache |
| 15:32 |
Tali Rosca |
Even Photo Salon which *varies* does not *require* that you have been there before. |
| 15:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Unless the description says explicitly otherwise. |
| 15:33 |
Larkylouz |
No, Photo Salon is not sequential. |
| 15:33 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
I think we tried progressive classes a while back with the vehicle building class, anyone remember that? |
| 15:33 |
Meora (menchor) |
however one week is class and the next week is show and tell |
| 15:34 |
Red Quixote |
that could be done |
| 15:34 |
Tali Rosca |
So that answer was not as easy as I thought :-) |
| 15:34 |
Martini Discovolante |
sor t od a take and make followed by Show and tell? |
| 15:34 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Have we ever considered doing a Show & Tell? |
| 15:34 |
Red Quixote |
I couild certainly whip something like that up for animation projects |
| 15:35 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I know that both Builders Brewery and NCI regularly run such events. |
| 15:35 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Show & Tell is the oldest NCI event actually. |
| 15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
Show and Tell are usually a lot of fun and quite inspirational. |
| 15:35 |
Larkylouz |
I may never have time, but I envision the Basic Photog. classwith more components that have student interaction. I think that is a better teaching method than pure lecture. |
| 15:35 |
Red Quixote |
I don't think NCI does a show & tell anymore,. but I could be wrong |
| 15:35 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I'm pretty sure they do. I can check. |
| 15:36 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Yes. Newbie Show and Tell is back there. |
| 15:36 |
Red Quixote |
really?.. cool |
| 15:36 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I think that is one of the events Brace brought back. |
| 15:36 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
One answer is we aren't doing progressive classes over some sort of term. |
| 15:37 |
Tali Rosca |
But do check the prerequisites for each individual class/time slot. |
| 15:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We may have some variance in what is taught in a class from week to week. |
| 15:37 |
Martini Discovolante |
if we do, we will be sure to make note if it on the schedule |
| 15:37 |
Red Quixote |
I think the project based class is an idea that could work well with my animation series |
| 15:38 |
Martini Discovolante |
People LOVE jproject classes, Red. |
| 15:38 |
Red Quixote |
^^ |
| 15:38 |
Red Quixote |
I'll have one starting this week then |
| 15:39 |
Steadman Kondor |
wonderful :D |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
"Go forth and create!" |
| 15:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Red, check your writeup on the schedule and send me a mod if you need to update it. |
| 15:40 |
Tali Rosca |
Ok, quick comment on the hall, then, since it came up. |
| 15:40 |
Tali Rosca |
We now have an area in the Village we can potentially use for classes. |
| 15:40 |
Martini Discovolante |
and please do not use the work WORK or KIT -- the SL censors STILL think those are norty-speak! |
| 15:40 |
Red Quixote |
no,. I will install it right into Animation Office Hour,.. that needed a litle spark anyway |
| 15:40 |
Martini Discovolante |
word* WORK |
| 15:40 |
Carl Metropolitan |
How can "work" be on their censor list? |
| 15:41 |
Martini Discovolante |
oh! my bad-- it was the word "TICK" |
| 15:41 |
Red Quixote |
that SL censor is on some mind-altering substance, for sure |
| 15:41 |
Tali Rosca |
Rav has installed the not-quite-finished new mesh lecture hall there, so it *can* be used as is. |
| 15:41 |
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Larkylouz pipes up, "I could send them some *real* dirty words. I heard some *just* this week!" |
| 15:41 |
Martini Discovolante |
or they are using the Cockney Rhyming Slang Dictionary |
| 15:41 |
Tali Rosca |
My take is that we need to figure out when we have what where, to avoid confusion, before we officially start using that area. |
| 15:42 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
Well rhyming slang typically uses the word that doesn't rhyme as the abbreviation |
| 15:42 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
e.g. head = loaf (of bread), tea = rosy (lee), stairs = apples ( and pears) |
| 15:42 |
Steadman Kondor |
Work has always been a dirty word to me... |
| 15:42 |
Martini Discovolante |
(i did nto say they used it properly:P) |
| 15:42 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
;) |
| 15:42 |
Red Quixote |
it 'has' 4 letters,.. sheesh |
| 15:43 |
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Sauce Sorrowman must head off and rest his loaf. |
| 15:43 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
gnight all |
| 15:44 |
Red Quixote |
nite Sauce |
| 15:44 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Night, Sauce. |
| 15:44 |
Martini Discovolante |
night Sauce! |
| 15:44 |
Steadman Kondor |
gnite :) |
| 15:44 |
Steadman Kondor |
I never heard that expression, rest the loaf |
| 15:45 |
Steadman Kondor |
so, if i said, my loaf is toasted.. |
| 15:45 |
Red Quixote |
nor have I |
| 15:45 |
Martini Discovolante |
i am NOT going ot ask what it means |
| 15:45 |
Steadman Kondor |
:) |
| 15:45 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Is the new lecture hall going to replace this one, or is it only for the expansion area? I really liked the design. |
| 15:45 |
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Gronk Seriman zips her mouth closed. |
| 15:45 |
Martini Discovolante |
just for over flow classes. |
| 15:46 |
Tali Rosca |
This hall will be meshified with that design. |
| 15:46 |
Steadman Kondor |
it is wonderful! it will feature on the next gazette issue, |
| 15:46 |
Martini Discovolante |
ohoh-- i misunderstood, /. |
| 15:46 |
Tali Rosca |
Personally. I'd like if the Village "overflow" looked differently. |
| 15:46 |
Martini Discovolante |
well this will do for now. |
| 15:46 |
Steadman Kondor |
maybe different seat colour or windows |
| 15:46 |
Tali Rosca |
I think it would be confusing if we have two entirely similar halls in different places. |
| 15:47 |
Steadman Kondor |
or different coloured wood |
| 15:47 |
Martini Discovolante |
i rather liked the old 'in the round' NCI model. |
| 15:47 |
Tali Rosca |
...or an amphitheater to emphasis the "overflow for large crowds" aspect of it. |
| 15:47 |
Martini Discovolante |
but i thot this woiuld give us a hall sson, and a way for Ravelli to get usage feedback. |
| 15:48 |
Martini Discovolante |
soon* |
| 15:48 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I still have the old NCI ampitheatre in inventory.i |
| 15:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Both of which are good goals. |
| 15:48 |
Martini Discovolante |
i do like ampetheatre on an island idea. |
| 15:48 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is too primy by modern standards though |
| 15:48 |
Tali Rosca |
With the village area being fairly new, I don't think there has been *all* that much thought given to just how it should look. |
| 15:48 |
Meora (menchor) |
using an amphitheater for photo salon would be difficult |
| 15:48 |
Martini Discovolante |
yus.. adn we are all about hte victorian idea of modernity and progress! |
| 15:49 |
Carl Metropolitan |
No. You just have a green screen backdrop you can raise for that class ! |
| 15:49 |
Gronk Seriman |
When will we see THIS Hall get the mesh upgrade? |
| 15:50 |
Martini Discovolante |
that is up to our absent Dean Ormstein, and when he is satisfied with it |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
Rav has been wandering the distant lands of Real Life, and is not quite done with the mesh work. |
| 15:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And, I believe reading the Gazette, mysterious night installers and their schedule. |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
I don't know any specific schedule for finishing it. |
| 15:52 |
Gronk Seriman |
It's a beautiful Hall. I just wish we could use it while the final finishing touches are added. |
| 15:52 |
Steadman Kondor |
it is nice to be surprised... but there are new gadgets in the new hall! |
| 15:52 |
Steadman Kondor |
so prof's might need to be acquainted |
| 15:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Partly, there's the issue of mesh optimization. |
| 15:52 |
Steadman Kondor |
before a class |
| 15:53 |
Martini Discovolante |
and training ... many new ideas went into this. |
| 15:53 |
Steadman Kondor |
of course the gazette can be believed. it is pure faction (fiction and facts) |
| 15:54 |
Tali Rosca |
We soon out of time, Any other questions at the end? |
| 15:54 |
Larkylouz |
hee |
| 15:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
As I recall, Mr. Zsun has a program later that might be of interest to educators. |
| 15:55 |
Steadman Kondor |
yes? |
| 15:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I believe I recall an announcement on ISC. |
| 15:56 |
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Josain Zsun awakes with a start. looks around wide eyed. |
| 15:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
You have something at 6pm of educational interest? |
| 15:57 |
Josain Zsun |
It sounded like another discussion session that might be of interest to this group. |
| 15:57 |
Josain Zsun |
I would have to revisit the Notice for time & place. |
| 15:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I think I recall 6pm at SJSU. |
| 15:58 |
Josain Zsun |
Yes |
| 15:58 |
Carl Metropolitan |
What is it about? |
| 15:58 |
Martini Discovolante |
nir in my ISC messages |
| 15:59 |
Martini Discovolante |
not* |
| 15:59 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
its in the oxbrifge staff group |
| 15:59 |
Tali Rosca |
I think I'd like to buy a vowel too. |
| 15:59 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
Public meeting on what schools, libraries, & other non-profits & public good organizations want from SL & The much-heralded New Platform |
| 15:59 |
Red Quixote |
is there an 'e'? |
| 15:59 |
Josain Zsun |
LL accommodations to to edcuational groups. |
| 16:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Ah. That really doesn't concern us I think. |
| 16:00 |
Josain Zsun |
It is still listed in the Notices, but I can't pull a copy. |
| 16:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Those are the real life educational and non-profit groups :) |
| 16:00 |
Tali Rosca |
Not Oxbridge directly, but perhaps it could be interesting for some. |
| 16:00 |
Tali Rosca |
Any last question? |
| 16:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
If you have a connection with or significant interest in the work of entities such as museums, libraries, non-profits, colleges and universities, schools, social service and community organizations, etc. in virtual worlds, please join us for a public discussion at SJSU in SL on Sunday July 27m 2014 at 6PM SLT. |
| 16:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Ahh. So still a week off. |
| 16:01 |
Ewan Bonham |
Do you have a LM? |
| 16:01 |
Josain Zsun |
Sorry....I thought this was an educational community organization |
| 16:01 |
Steadman Kondor |
i am very interested |
| 16:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I might have an LM from a while ago. |
| 16:02 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I am probably being over cynical, Josain |
| 16:02 |
Steadman Kondor |
wil try my best to attend |
| 16:02 |
Joey (jgraceffa4224) |
where is the other dean |
| 16:02 |
Josain Zsun |
SJSU SLIS (32,79,33) |
| 16:02 |
Joey (jgraceffa4224) |
the one who occosianlly looks like a teddy |
| 16:03 |
Martini Discovolante |
he has the night off, Joey |
| 16:03 |
Joey (jgraceffa4224) |
occasionally* |
| 16:03 |
Tali Rosca |
I think this is it for tonight, then. |
| 16:03 |
Joey (jgraceffa4224) |
oh... your position your sitiing as is quite off |
| 16:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you all for coming. |
| 16:03 |
Larkylouz |
Thank you Deans! |
| 16:03 |
Steadman Kondor |
thank you all! |
| 16:03 |
Jasmin Jolbey |
thanks for your time :) |
| 16:03 |
Steadman Kondor |
take care and till next time |
| 16:04 |
Martini Discovolante |
thank you all for coming |