Caledon Oxbridge Q&A for 2014-06-01

15:01	Tali Rosca	Welcome to another session.
15:01	Carl Metropolitan	Hello
15:01	Tali Rosca	As many (most?) of you know, this is a questions-and-answers session which often turn into a bit of a freeform discussion about topics related to Second Life in general, and Caledon and Oxbridge specifically.
15:01	Tali Rosca	Each dean has their own area of responsibility, which you can ser here: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php
15:02	Tali Rosca	We'll try to answer questions as best we can, so who has the first?
15:02	Carl Metropolitan	I'd really like to be on there for "taking credit for others hard work"
15:02	Abriel Baguier	This is probably silly, but how do I save these conversations. They're helpful and I would like to refer to them and the links later.
15:03	Wordsmith Jarvinen	That .... could .... be .... arrange. ;)
15:03	Carl Metropolitan	They are saved on the website of caledon oxbridge.
15:03	Carl Metropolitan	http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php
15:03	Abriel Baguier	Thanks.
15:03	Wordsmith Jarvinen	The transcripts are posted.
15:03	Martini Discovolante	you can also copy and paste into a note ard, just like any other text
15:03	Abriel Baguier	That's great.
15:03	Martini Discovolante	card
15:03	Tali Rosca	Apart from the transcripts, there is a pretty good chance your viewer is already set up to log chat.
15:03	Abriel Baguier	Oh. See. I knew it was obvious. . .
15:04	Tali Rosca	Under Preferences/Chat, you can set up where the logs are stored (if any).
15:04	Abriel Baguier	I'm using Firestorm.
15:04	Abriel Baguier	Okay. I'll check that. Thanks.
15:04	Steadman Kondor	greetings all :)
15:05	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Greetings, Mr Kondor
15:05	Steadman Kondor	am blind today - will grope my way to a chair
15:05	Morgan W. Mickalobe (mmorganwhitfield)	Where do I have weekly/monthly events in Caledon?
15:05	Steadman Kondor	thank you miss rosca
15:06	Morgan W. Mickalobe (mmorganwhitfield)	*sorry for typo* where do i go to find information about weekly/monthly events in Caledon?
15:06	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Welcome, Dean Kondor. Happy to have you here in what capacity you can achieve.
15:06	Carl Metropolitan	In Firestorm go to the "Avatar" menu, then select "Preferences" Then on the "Preferences" window go to the "Privacy" side tab, and the "General" top tab under that. 2/3rds of the way down that pane are the chat logging controls.
15:07	Carl Metropolitan	http://aetherchrononauts.org/ is one place Morgan. It covers more than just Caledon
15:07	Abriel Baguier	Thank you.
15:07	Carl Metropolitan	The Caledon Events Catalog is at https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=7p9rjf6okdi9qfgt3h7oe0m6dc@group.calendar.google.com&gsessionid=OK
15:07	Morgan W. Mickalobe (mmorganwhitfield)	thank you prof. Carl!
15:07	Carl Metropolitan	And there is a Caledon Library events listing at
15:07	Carl Metropolitan	https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=0jbbusp28jl6dmj8mgn9gqm8v0@group.calendar.google.com
15:08	Carl Metropolitan	And of course Oxbridge events can be found at http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/class_schedule.php
15:08	Tali Rosca	I keep forgetting the specific address of http://aetherchrononauts.org/ .
15:08	Tali Rosca	It's always just "that aether-site".
15:08	ClaireDeAir	I am usig a text to speech hud please keep the web pages short or for after.
15:09	Carl Metropolitan	And if that's not enough, you can go tot Lucien Brentano's "What to Do in Caledon" class at 9pm SLT Wednesdays
15:09	Gronk Seriman	More info than you can shake a stick at! If shaking sticks is your thing....
15:09	Carl Metropolitan	I will remember that.
15:09	Abriel Baguier	No kidding. Great info!
15:10	Carl Metropolitan	We are full of it :)
15:10	Gronk Seriman	heehee!
15:10	Abriel Baguier	:-)
15:10	Wordsmith Jarvinen	There is also a link to the Aether Chrononauts calendar from the new Gazette page (on the sidebar). http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/gazette/
15:11	Tali Rosca	Oh, the Gazette is live an visible there!
15:11	Carl Metropolitan	And a link to the three long URLs from the "Events" poster outside next to the Oxbridge schedule.
15:11	Wordsmith Jarvinen	You might begin to think that we are quite eventful.
15:12	Steadman Kondor	yes :) it's soft roll out
15:13	Tali Rosca	That has snuck out under the cover of the dark, hasn't it? I don't recall hearing anything official about it.
15:14	Carl Metropolitan	Steadman is the mastermind behind the Gazette. Perhaps he has some more info.
15:14	Wordsmith Jarvinen	There was some email discussion on it.
15:14	Steadman Kondor	the launch is 22nd this month
15:14	Steadman Kondor	but we look forward to getting some content up by the time of the launch
15:14	Tali Rosca	...so what you're seeing there currently is a figment of your imagination.
15:15	Steadman Kondor	(coinciding with SL11B, the second life community birthday event)
15:15	Steadman Kondor	there will be some steampunk robot vendors distributing links to the gazette at the SL11B site too :)
15:15	ClaireDeAir	When does sl11b start?
15:16	Steadman Kondor	june 22nd
15:16	ClaireDeAir	aah ok
15:16	ClaireDeAir	♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥
15:16	Steadman Kondor	Mr Carl has set up a display for Caledon Oxbridge University
15:17	Steadman Kondor	so i hope you all can visit our site as well as the sims overall
15:17	Carl Metropolitan	We are not open yet though. It is restricted to builders right now.
15:17	Steadman Kondor	i had a sneak peak at the others, it's a big variety of wonderful builds
15:17	Steadman Kondor	i had lodged in an application personally for an 'art installation'
15:18	Carl Metropolitan	I've updated the build from VWBPE using mesh columns contributed by Sauce Sorrowman
15:18	Steadman Kondor	very well coordinated marketing, and youtube video's promoting SL11B,
15:18	Carl Metropolitan	So we don't have any more sculpties I think.
15:18	Morgan W. Mickalobe (mmorganwhitfield)	excuse me...
15:19	Carl Metropolitan	I have an approved application for giving a talk on "Improving the New User Experience in Second Life" (aka "Carl Metropolitan Tells Linden Lab How to Do Their Jobs--Because Someone Has To")
15:19	Audrey Lindsay (nathalia.earst)	I WILL BURN THIS COLLEGE
15:19	Wordsmith Jarvinen	ejected
15:19	Gronk Seriman	geez.
15:19	Meora (menchor)	byebye
15:20	lovejoy2199	Ohhh...Great!!!!
15:20	Abriel Baguier	Goodness.
15:20	Carl Metropolitan	We do need some new arch villains in Caledon, but they must have manners!
15:20	Larkylouz	geea, you got a greivance, there missy?
15:20	ClaireDeAir	bye bye crazy lady hehehe
15:20	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Aw cripes...
15:20	Tali Rosca	Anyway, other questions?
15:20	Tali Rosca	That was fairly random.
15:20	Meora (menchor)	when there are several people who can and will eject you its not exactly smart to pull something
15:21	Carl Metropolitan	Yes.
15:21	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Not to mentionban
15:21	Carl Metropolitan	What taxanomic order of animals are crabs, lobsters, prawns, and shrimp all members of?
15:21	Steadman Kondor	save that for the quiz, mr carl :) that's a good one
15:21	ClaireDeAir	I would suggest turning off the ability to rez when not needed.
15:21	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Do I sense a plug for Trivial Entertainment?
15:21	Carl Metropolitan	It is from the Tuesday at 7pm SLT "A Trivial Entertainment" show!
15:22	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Too Late Entertainment for some :-)
15:22	Carl Metropolitan	If anyone cares, the answer was: Decapods (As their name would imply, decapods have ten legs--however in most decapods, the front three pairs of legs have become specialized as mouthparts.)
15:22	Meora (menchor)	what is Oxbridge doing to help newbies who use the mesh avatars that just appeared in the library?
15:22	Steadman Kondor	i thought crustaceans !
15:22	Gronk Seriman	I thought it was "Crunchy Seafood".
15:22	Larkylouz	Telling them to use the old ones? Snort!
15:22	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	"pääjalkaiset" in Finnish
15:23	Tali Rosca	The new mesh avatars is a bit of a sore spot.
15:23	Tali Rosca	We have still to stabilize on some common way to treat it.
15:23	Gronk Seriman	I was going to bring that up!
15:23	Carl Metropolitan	We probably need a notecard with a detailed answer.
15:23	Carl Metropolitan	Or a link to an explanation on the web site?
15:23		Tali Rosca nods. "I have been thinking about writing up some standard explanation."
15:23	Gronk Seriman	How do you tell a new person they chose a modern, yet difficult avatar to deal with?
15:24	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	"Cannot be adjusted yet"
15:24	Tali Rosca	But it is hard to do without it turning into a bulky dissertation on obscure quirks accumulated over a decade.
15:24	Abriel Baguier	What would a modern, yet difficult to deal with avatar be? I'm seriously asking.
15:24	Tali Rosca	But as Gronk alludes to, that is pretty much the crux.
15:24	Steadman Kondor	If the newbies at least be guided to use one of the caledon starting av packs,
15:24	Carl Metropolitan	Tali, ask me after class. I may have some stuff you can steal from my blog on the subject and from some old notecards
15:24	Steadman Kondor	then they are back to the default and customisable
15:25	Carl Metropolitan	They are old. They could use some updating. They have not been updated for four years I believe though.
15:25	Tali Rosca	For those not in the know, LL recently introduced full-mesh avatars. They completely replace the traditional avatar shape, so they do not react the same way to sliders, and they cannot wear normal system clothing.
15:26	Cherry Larkspur	Graet...LOL
15:26	ClaireDeAir	I do not use any noob mesh avatars, I was wondering can they modify them just like we did in the past, also I think I need ot see the new avatars so I know who is a noob so I can go afk.
15:26	Cherry Larkspur	great too
15:26	Abriel Baguier	So you have to completely replace your wardrobe?
15:26	Gronk Seriman	New people are being offered mesh avatars at the start. The fact that they are no modify doesn't help.
15:26	ClaireDeAir	afk
15:26	Tali Rosca	In theory, you should be able to adjust them to some extent using sliders. But LL screwed up and launched them as no-mod.
15:26	Abriel Baguier	afk?
15:27	Wordsmith Jarvinen	afk = away from keyboard.
15:27	Meora (menchor)	haven't they fixed the no mod they said they were going to
15:27	Abriel Baguier	Ahhhhh. Thanks. (Blushing)
15:27	Tali Rosca	I have not checked recently, in fact. They may have.
15:28	Carl Metropolitan	They also screwed up by not using fitted mesh clothing for them, so each avatar's clothing normally only works on it.
15:28	Tali Rosca	AS for replacing all clothes... a lot of clothes has already phased to full mesh, so that should, in theory, be usable with the new avatars.
15:28	Tali Rosca	But fit is an issue.
15:28	Carl Metropolitan	LL's outside contractors apparently used neither fitted mesh or standard sizing.
15:29	ClaireDeAir	wow that has got to be a bad and in some cases a good thing they can't mod them, no more freaky men with over sized boobs :-)
15:29	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	They will find a way...
15:30	Meora (menchor)	never underestimate the creativity of some people
15:30	Tali Rosca	So yeah, the new avatars are quirky, and requires a fair bit of explanation to understand.
15:30	Steadman Kondor	Mind you, a newbie might very well prefer an entire outfit change to a Petite or a Micro or a Tiny or another mesh avatar.
15:30	Larkylouz	Well, and they are not particularly attractive avatars. I would assume most newbs would be eager to find attractive male avatars with boobs. Just sayin'
15:30	Martini Discovolante	people may look however they choose.
15:30		Steadman Kondor thinks we need a class on avatar customisation
15:31	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Good idea
15:31	Meora (menchor)	well we are seeing parts of the avatar done in mesh like Slink hands and feet
15:32	Tali Rosca	It would have been nice if LL laid the groundwork for a standard for such interchangeable parts, by launching a series of avatars using a standardized mesh.
15:32	Tali Rosca	But they chose not to go that route.
15:32	Carl Metropolitan	The ovesized boobs you see around SL are mostly mesh ad-ons made by "Lola's Tangos"
15:32	Carl Metropolitan	I can't comment on how many are worn by men.
15:32	Steadman Kondor	Is there such a thing as standardised mesh size though
15:32	Tali Rosca	Only a de facto standard.
15:33	Tali Rosca	I have advocated a bit for using the MakeHuman mesh.
15:33	Wordsmith Jarvinen	There were agreements on standardized sizes between creators.
15:33	Meora (menchor)	fitted mesh is just getting to the point where it works right
15:33	Tali Rosca	It's a very well made human mesh figure.
15:33	Tali Rosca	Fitted mesh *works*, technically speaking. But people are still learning how to use it.
15:33	Abriel Baguier	Anyone here mesh?
15:34	Martini Discovolante	me
15:34	Meora (menchor)	my feet and dress
15:34	Abriel Baguier	Still trying to figure it out.
15:34	Martini Discovolante	me be mesh
15:34	Steadman Kondor	i dont mind the new set of mesh avatars. If only LL makes it easier for the newbies how to change to other avs
15:34	Abriel Baguier	Well, that figures, my dear friend.
15:34	Abriel Baguier	;-)
15:34	Martini Discovolante	:3
15:34	Larkylouz	My pants are mesh. Mesh uses an alpha mask which makes part of your body invisible so it doesn't poke through. Mesh doesn't mold to any size like the older clothes do.
15:35	Tali Rosca	Actually, fitted mesh do.
15:35	Larkylouz	Yes. I stand corrected, Tali.
15:35	Meora (menchor)	this dress is fitted mesh
15:35	Abriel Baguier	I could use some mesh around my middle then.
15:35	Larkylouz	heee
15:35	Tali Rosca	Or at least attempts to do, but it still uses alpha masks to hide the spots where it goes wrong.
15:36	ClaireDeAir	Are the new mesh avatars the same thing but just mesh or did they add more?
15:37	Tali Rosca	The mesh avatars are "just clothes". A full skin suit you're inside.
15:37	Steadman Kondor	no, they are all mesh
15:37	Steadman Kondor	the whole body is a mesh, then mesh clothing items on top of it
15:37	Tali Rosca	So in that sense, they are just like any other worn mesh.
15:37	Meora (menchor)	\you wear a full body alpha to hide the body
15:38	Larkylouz	which has scared more than one newb who managed to get down to just the alpha and disappeared on themselves.
15:38	Meora (menchor)	Ha ha ha hahahaaa
15:38	Tali Rosca	I would not be surprised if LL soon introduced an option to not have the old avatar at all. It makes little sense to calculate it, all invisible, inside the mesh skin.
15:38	Steadman Kondor	we still need to customise our heads though
15:38	Martini Discovolante	that explains all the invisible newbettes i have seen lately
15:38	Steadman Kondor	us olbies
15:39	Tali Rosca	Customizing the head is one of the big weaknesses of the new mesh avatars.
15:39	Tali Rosca	They react to most body sliders for size, but not for the head at all.
15:39	Larkylouz	One can customize the heads? ohhhh
15:39	ClaireDeAir	U guys shoudl have a collecting of older freebie avatars.
15:40	Steadman Kondor	we have the oxbridge steampunk set
15:40	Jesa Li	You *can* alter the size of the head on Dinkies very easily
15:40	Tali Rosca	All the more reason to establish a de facto standard with interchangeable parts, so you can switch head.
15:40	Martini Discovolante	i like my head size!~
15:40	Tali Rosca	Size, yes, but not all the details. Nose, eyes cheekbones.
15:41	Meora (menchor)	and most heads are too smallto be correctly proportioned
15:41	Jesa Li	Tali, very true.
15:41		Steadman Kondor quotes, "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs..."
15:42	Larkylouz	Adjusting the facial features to make a new avi is one of the funner activities I have discovered in SL.
15:42	Marzipan (marzipanmacbeth)	That's the wonderful thing about SL -- Martin can have a different head size from mine. :-)
15:42	Tali Rosca	The detailed customization has always been one of SL's major strengths.
15:43	Tali Rosca	Throwing that away... LL or the community had better come up with a good replacement soon.
15:43	Gronk Seriman	Is there any known way to take an "old style" avatar and meshify it?
15:43	ClaireDeAir	I would like to know how to make my own avatar from the ground up, not mesh, do they teach that here?
15:43	Tali Rosca	Some viewers allow you to export your avatar shape as .obj.
15:44	Wordsmith Jarvinen	We haven't tackled that .... yet.
15:44	Steadman Kondor	no we dont have such a class at the moment, miss claire, but we should
15:44	Carl Metropolitan	Its compliacated.
15:44		Martini Discovolante gasps....what happened to yer tail??
15:44	Tali Rosca	It would require some more work to turn it into a rigged avatar, but that couold be a start.
15:44	Carl Metropolitan	Especially when you deal with an underlying mesh body
15:44	ClaireDeAir	There is a program that turns thing into mesh.
15:44	ClaireDeAir	The most I do is take a freebie avatar and mod it.
15:44	Tali Rosca	As for "making your own avatar from the ground up", that really depends on what you actually mean by that.
15:45	Steadman Kondor	i would be happy to try and put together an avatar customidation class and take a proposal to dean wordsmith
15:45	Steadman Kondor	just as a survival kit, until a more permanent class and tutor is avail.
15:45	Tali Rosca	You can create all sorts of attachments and wear them over your body, as, say, many full-body "furries" do.
15:46	Steadman Kondor	(and to run those classes for a few weeks, i mean)
15:46	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Carl is also working on a mesh customization class, I believe.
15:47	Tali Rosca	Though there is little doubt that such full-body replacements are moving to mesh, to allow it to bend naturally in the joints.
15:47	ClaireDeAir	yes, annoying to wear stuff as a furry instead of adding it, so watch out.
15:47	Steadman Kondor	how is mr carl going with that? i was thinking more how to use outfits, customise the system face and body like i use now..
15:48	Steadman Kondor	wearing and buying clothes...
15:48	Steadman Kondor	not necessarily focussing all on mesh
15:48	Carl Metropolitan	No. I'm working on a class on "Creating Using Full Perm Mesh"
15:49	Steadman Kondor	okay then, i will send a proposal to dean wordsmith and book a spot.
15:49	James MacCloude (mac6572)	I have a rezable book with stories in it can I rez it here near the back so people can read them if they want to?
15:49	Carl Metropolitan	The content is really only tangential to mesh customization, which I would assume would involved working with collada files in outside programs.
15:49	Wordsmith Jarvinen	While we are discussing classes, we have a couple of changes this week.
15:49	Steadman Kondor	this newbie mesh av issue has been to the fore a couple of weeks now, i think it's a good time to make an active step :)
15:49	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Prof Florian is teaching a Land Impact class on Monday.
15:49		Steadman Kondor claps :)
15:49	Carl Metropolitan	Someone was going to work on an Avatar Appearance class for us, but she had RL hit her hard and had to back out.
15:50		Steadman Kondor notes that down - human proportions.
15:50	Wordsmith Jarvinen	And Prof Larkylouz is doing her basic photography class on Euro time this week.
15:50		Steadman Kondor claps again :)
15:50		Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) unfurls flags and waves them
15:50	Larkylouz	We'll try a euro time class once a month and see if we get an adequate response.
15:50	James MacCloude (mac6572)	smiles
15:50	Meora (menchor)	there are some tools for proportioning an avatar
15:51	ClaireDeAir	Where do you keep the older avatar collection and do I have to be under 30 days old to receive it?
15:51	Wordsmith Jarvinen	These are likely to repeat on an irregular schedule.
15:51	Martini Discovolante	yes you do,
15:51	Steadman Kondor	some RP sims like 1920s berlin are quite strict and instructive on human proportions
15:51	Tali Rosca	The lecture hall is for teaching SL-related skills, not for promoting personal projects, so no, we can't let people rez such projects as part of COU.
15:51	ClaireDeAir	I would like something I can hand out to friends
15:51	Carl Metropolitan	The older avatar collection is in the Hall of Avatar Customization
15:51	James MacCloude (mac6572)	ok
15:51	Larkylouz	And, crossing fingers, my connection problems seem to have lessened,
15:52	Carl Metropolitan	You have to be under 30 days to get it because of a request by some of the creators at the time the original avatars were created.
15:52	Steadman Kondor	yes miss claire, there is a 30 day limit i believe
15:52	Martini Discovolante	and all teh COU avatars are no transfer
15:52	Tali Rosca	I don't know if the library accepts such submissions?
15:52	Steadman Kondor	i'll find other available av outfits to use during the class
15:52	James MacCloude (mac6572)	ok
15:53		Gronk Seriman wonders if she should blow the dust off of her "Avatar Show & Tell" class idea.
15:53	ClaireDeAir	yap, got to love 1920's Berlin.
15:53	Steadman Kondor	there are numerous freebie steampunk/victorian outfits provided near the train station here in the university
15:53	Tali Rosca	We have the "Vitruvian man" scale over in the hall of avatar customization.
15:53		Steadman Kondor nods. that is useful tool.
15:53	Tali Rosca	If anybody want their own version of that, IM me.
15:53	Steadman Kondor	vitruvian, ie. that da vinci man
15:54	Steadman Kondor	who is trying to do something on the renaissance pose stand..
15:54		Steadman Kondor smiles
15:54	Martini Discovolante	i ahve already amended my Clothing class to try to distinguish between the old avs and the new mesh.
15:54	Emma Daines (emmaoftinbrook)	I'd like to learn how to make mesh clothing for rp observer packs. The old clothing does not work with the new mesh bodies.
15:55	Carl Metropolitan	One thing to keep in mind is that's an idealized pose and figure. Real Life humans are rarely 8 heads tall.
15:55	Carl Metropolitan	Another resource for Tali to grab, perhaps, Martini?
15:55	Tali Rosca	It is. It is geared to the "stylized heroic" proportions.
15:55	Tali Rosca	This *is* SL after all :-)
15:55	Wordsmith Jarvinen	While fashion model are drawn as 9 heads.
15:55	Martini Discovolante	i am sorry, Carl, i do not understand.
15:56	ClaireDeAir	IM which one of you??
15:56	Larkylouz	Tali, Ms. DeAir
15:57	Tali Rosca	As for learning to create mesh clothes... We have an "introduction to mesh" class, but I don't think it deals with rigging.
15:57	Emma Daines (emmaoftinbrook)	Thank you. I'll attend that class to get started on mesh.
15:57	ClaireDeAir	I like to find nice clothes that is not mesh, so I can change my avatar and not worry about trying to make it fit as even the XL size may not work right once I move my avatar around or dance.
15:58	Wordsmith Jarvinen	No, I mention it along with the distinction between the skeleton and the volume skeleton for fitted mesh, but don't get into using them.
15:58	Carl Metropolitan	The language in your clothing class about the difference between mesh and non-mesh avatars could be of use to the notecard Tali is talking about making for new users who have the new avatars and are confused where to go from them.
15:58	Carl Metropolitan	That's all.
15:58	Larkylouz	There are lots of freebies out there, and some of them are quite nice. You just have to be willing to go thrugh a lot of junk.
15:59	Tali Rosca	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Rigging_Fitted_Mesh#Download_links has the latest standard models to work with, for various 3D programs.
15:59	Larkylouz	Feel free to IM me for some ideas of places to find freebies.
15:59	ClaireDeAir	Ned to get to Berlin bye
15:59	Carl Metropolitan	Tali is also welcome to steal anything she likes from my blogs on the subject.
15:59	Martini Discovolante	oooh i see -- pretty much, i say taht they are not editable, adn we will not be discussing them -- not very useful for Tali, i am afraid.
15:59	Tali Rosca	I've worked with the Blender version. Notably, it includes a fully skinned version of the default avatar, which you can copy weighs from.
15:59	Meora (menchor)	I have links to a couple of free tools for proportions on market place
16:00	ClaireDeAir	tp not working hmmm
16:00		Martini Discovolante would be happy to help.
16:00	Tali Rosca	We're just about out of time, so any last question?
16:01	Gronk Seriman	That was a fast hour!
16:01	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Classes are scheduled. You show up at the scheduled time.
16:02	Tali Rosca	I think I'll call it adjourned for now, and relegate any further talk to the corridor chatter.
16:02	Gronk Seriman	Thank you Deans!
16:02	Steadman Kondor	thank you all :)
16:02	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Thank you all for coming.
16:03	Ololo Petya (olopierpa)	Thank you
16:03	Meora (menchor)	If anyone wants them I have the marketplace addresses for a couple of proportion tools
16:03	Meora (menchor)	they are fdree
16:03	Meora (menchor)	free
16:03	James MacCloude (mac6572)	smiles
16:03	Steadman Kondor	thanks menchor :)