Caledon Oxbridge Q&A for 2014-05-25

15:01 Tali Rosca Greetings, and welcome to this week's QA. As is wont, we will try to answer questions (or at least guide the discussion) about topics related to Oxbridge, Caledon or Second Life at large.
15:01 Tali Rosca You can see area of expertise here: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php, but we all try to have an ear to the ground, and know about what is going on.
15:01 Tali Rosca So let us get right to it. Any questions?
15:01 Wordsmith Jarvinen Or sometimes, an ear in the air, since Caledon has airships.
15:03 Meora (menchor) there are 2 lines of airships running as of yeaterday
15:04 Wordsmith Jarvinen Good to know.
15:04 Wordsmith Jarvinen Hopefully, the routes and scripting will hold for a while.
15:05 Steadman Kondor Disruptions could be caused by sim changes, and owner parcel settings perhaps
15:05 Tali Rosca But we may have seen the lion's share of those.
15:05 Eric Dawn (henrycrawford) I have a question...
15:05 Tali Rosca Though of course, they happen continuously.
15:06 Tali Rosca Yes, Eric?
15:06 Eric Dawn (henrycrawford) Do you have a scripting class, Tail? If so, when is it?
15:06 Wordsmith Jarvinen Or by some LL induced communication's change that affects airship rezzing.
15:06 Tali Rosca -Also, Lupe, could you take a normal seat, please?
15:06 Lisse (extares) not thare
15:06 Wordsmith Jarvinen We have one I'm working on this weekend.
15:06 Wordsmith Jarvinen Returning it to the schedule.
15:06 Larkylouz Lupe speaks Spanish.
15:06 Tali Rosca No, I don't. I've sometimes pondering doing one, but I've not gotten around to it.
15:07 Lisse (extares) like the others
15:07 Tali Rosca But as Wordsmith says, there is a class in the works.
15:07 Meora (menchor) Lupe could you join us here in the audience?
15:07 Menchor Resident Lupe ¿podría unirse a nosotros aquí en la audiencia?
15:07 Eric Dawn (henrycrawford) Okay, can somebody please let me know if or when the class comes out?
15:07 Wordsmith Jarvinen Starts with basic definitions and examples.
15:07 Wordsmith Jarvinen Sure.
15:07 Josain Zsun Lupe Sit in the audience, Please
15:08 Eric Dawn (henrycrawford) Okay, thanks. I have to go now, I just wanted to charify this.
15:08 Carl Metropolitan Ejected.
15:08 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) raises a hand.
15:08 Josain Zsun Only understood Spanish
15:08 Tali Rosca Yes?
15:08 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Well, I suppose I'd might find the information elsewhere if I were a bit more attentive; but I'm curious about the signs around the University speaking of one being able to join as a scholar - what does this entail?
15:08 Steadman Kondor i know this chair has a sweet spot, but i thought only I knew about it
15:08 Tali Rosca Even Spanish people do not sit on each others heads. -At least to my knowledge.
15:09 Tali Rosca The "scholar" group is the general help group.
15:09 Red Quixote being a 'jerk', is the same in every language
15:09 Tali Rosca It is also where classes are announced.
15:09 Wordsmith Jarvinen At least not in occupied classrooms.
15:09 Larkylouz Just giving a heads up, Tali. Feel free to eject her - just do it in spanish, please.
15:09 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) I see, thank you.
15:09 Tali Rosca There is general chatter going on in that group about various SL topics.
15:10 Tali Rosca It is not a social group, though, for smalltalk.
15:10 Wordsmith Jarvinen Class schedules are also on the web, btw
15:10 Wordsmith Jarvinen http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/class_schedule.php
15:10 Tali Rosca But if you need help with building or such topics, you can ask freely in that group, and there will likely be *someone* there who can help you.
15:13 EmeraldRayn I have a question.
15:13 Tali Rosca Yes, Emerald?
15:13 Wordsmith Jarvinen Miss Rayn?
15:13 EmeraldRayn If you want to plan a party but don't have a location for it, do you have to rent the space or get someone to sponsor it?
15:14 Steadman Kondor do you mean in the university grounds, or in caledon?
15:14 Steadman Kondor or in general, perhaps?
15:14 EmeraldRayn Oh, Caledon.
15:14 Steadman Kondor well, there are some tavern owners who might be happy to sponsor the event
15:14 Tali Rosca To my knowledge, there is no formalized, "official" way to do it, but yes, as Steadman says, there are several venues which could perhaps host.
15:15 Steadman Kondor *host i mean, rather than sponsor
15:15 Tali Rosca But it's largely a matter of what you can arrange with the owners of those.
15:15 Carl Metropolitan You would need to have the land, or find someone who would let you use their land. If you needed a special build for the party, you would need to rent a parcel in Caledon directly from Desmond Shang on a short term basis (at least a week)
15:15 EmeraldRayn Okay, thank you.
15:15 Beccha It is for all of us, the party
15:16 Beccha It is for everyone here, an event
15:17 Tali Rosca What are some names of venues in Caledon?
15:17 Beccha I suggested the sandbox, If we could do it there
15:17 Meora (menchor) depends on whether you need a stream for a DJ
15:17 Carl Metropolitan The sandbox would not be appropriate for such a party. We have to be careful not to overuse the resources of Oxbridge Village where the sandbox is overhead.
15:18 Beccha it will be a toga party in greek style
15:18 Steadman Kondor in caledon, the blue mermaid,
15:18 Steadman Kondor beth ghostraven has a tavern
15:18 Carl Metropolitan Venues: Bashful Peacock, Blue Mermaid
15:18 Tali Rosca Those spring to my mind as well.
15:18 Tali Rosca Others?
15:18 Carl Metropolitan I think that the owner of Caledon Llyr has one as well in Port Caledon.
15:18 Larkylouz Beth Ghostraven's pub in Victoria City comes to mind. Patty Poppy has a lovely venue. There is a venue on the build up in the sky - the Iron Cloud - i fyou don't mind the wind whining through your music.
15:18 Tali Rosca It would seem fitting to ask one of those if they would want to host.
15:18 Wordsmith Jarvinen What's Lucien doing for the BBB's
15:19 Larkylouz Isn't that on the Iron Cloud, Dean Jarvinen?
15:19 Carl Metropolitan The Iron Cloud, being a homestead, is limited to 20 people though.
15:19 Larkylouz Ah. I stand corrected.
15:19 Steadman Kondor BBB is a deejayed dance event - big brass balls, I think
15:19 Wordsmith Jarvinen Right
15:20 Tali Rosca Potentially, anything in the Iron Cloud could spill over into Burroughs. I'd be willing to host that if needed. (Burroughs is also a homestead, so there's another 20 avatars).
15:20 Tali Rosca Or possibly, if 20 is enough, we could arrange something in Burroughs.
15:20 Tali Rosca But I think it would be more in theme and fitting if it happened in an existing venue.
15:21 Steadman Kondor miss emeraldrayn and miss beccha, perhaps if you sent a proposal to the deans after the meeting,
15:21 Tali Rosca My guess is that most would only be happy to see some extra life.
15:21 Steadman Kondor we can assist further in suggesting an appropriate venue
15:21 Beccha look It all started with Miss Rayn building a beautiful greek stye gazebo
15:22 Beccha I came up with the idea about making a party around it. No disco
15:22 Beccha A Toga Party with everyone here invited
15:23 Steadman Kondor a toga party might not be in theme with steampunk, though i can
15:23 Beccha we need to put the gazebo in the middle as the center point
15:23 Steadman Kondor see some 'frat celebrations' aspect which makes it match the university :)
15:23 Steadman Kondor please do send in a proposal to the deans mailbox
15:24 Wordsmith Jarvinen Might have to be done on an aerial platform.
15:24 Larkylouz LOL, Steadman.
15:24 Tali Rosca We could invent a subgenre. Greekpunk.
15:24 EmeraldRayn Once we hash out the details we will be sure to do that. Thank you
15:24 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Isn't there some novels and other fan fiction of Steampunk taking place in ancient times already?
15:24 Wordsmith Jarvinen Estimate the prims (Land Impact) you would need also.
15:24 Carl Metropolitan I suppose if steampunk can stretch to accommodate catgirls, toga parties are not too much of a reach.
15:24 EmeraldRayn Okay
15:25 Wordsmith Jarvinen Catgirl toga parties?
15:25 Carl Metropolitan Though if you wanted to translate a toga party into period, you could have a masked hellfire club ball.
15:25 Meora (menchor) Victorians used to do costume parties and were big on antiquity
15:26 Larkylouz With a few Olympic events thrown in? CAT racing, Krakan dogie roping, etc.
15:26 Tali Rosca Egyptian would definitely be well within the Victorian interest.
15:26 EmeraldRayn Okay.
15:27 Carl Metropolitan True. The real life English Victorians were mad for antiquities.
15:27 EmeraldRayn Thank you
15:28 Tali Rosca People write on walls and worship cats.
15:28 Tali Rosca Though as has been pointed out, the Internet and Ancient Egypt is much the same.
15:28 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) smirks.
15:28 Meora (menchor) Ha ha ha hahahaaa
15:29 Tali Rosca Any other questions?
15:29 Larkylouz is howling at Tali's last comment.
15:30 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) I've got one.
15:30 Wordsmith Jarvinen (nods)
15:31 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) A rather wide one though. How does the social structure in Caledon work? I suspect the University has its part - but is it the 'top' or are there other instances to consider?
15:31 Carl Metropolitan We are more like the appendix
15:31 Carl Metropolitan Or the spleen.
15:31 Larkylouz The krakkan hold teas when they're not harassing Quest Explorers.
15:31 Wordsmith Jarvinen Although we try not to be vestigial.
15:32 Carl Metropolitan That's why I switched us to spleen :)
15:32 Carl Metropolitan Seriously, the social structure in Caledon is a hard question to answer.
15:32 Wordsmith Jarvinen Caledon itself is a social place and has events accordingly.
15:32 Carl Metropolitan All of Caledon exists on land rented from Desmond Shang the "Governor" of this micro-nation.
15:33 Tali Rosca The University has no special status as such, though we do often present a first impression of Oxbridge to newcomers.
15:33 Steadman Kondor Land renters receive the title 'Aristocrat' but it's a personal decision whether to adopt a title
15:33 Wordsmith Jarvinen A place of "reformed" griefers, technical experts and enthusiasts ....
15:33 Carl Metropolitan Oxbridge is no more an official Caledon institution than any other.
15:33 Steadman Kondor Residents who have performed outstanding services to caledon through RFl charity fundraising or other services, get special titles..
15:33 Carl Metropolitan We are not controlled or owned by Desmond Shang or by Linden Lab
15:34 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Then how's the social scene? I've yet to fully explore all areas of Caledon, but I haven't found any 'hubs' more or equally reliable to be populated as the University.
15:34 Wordsmith Jarvinen Caledon has as one of its attributes a Victorian concept of civility, which we inherit.
15:34 Carl Metropolitan People that rent an homestead estate worth of land have a title of "Duke"
15:34 Larkylouz http://aetherchrononauts.org/
15:34 Carl Metropolitan But we have lots of honorary "Dukes/Duchesses" too
15:34 Larkylouz That is a calendar of social events. http://aetherchrononauts.org/
15:34 Tali Rosca As with everywhere else in Second Life, people gather when and where things are happening.
15:34 Carl Metropolitan Most of it is all in fun
15:34 Steadman Kondor The dances are the most regular events in the chrononauts calenda
15:34 Red Quixote the appendix, is not vestigal, it's purpose has been discovered, it hosts useful bacteria, in the event that such bacteria (stomach, intestines) are purged in some sort of 'biological' event...
15:35 Red Quixote it repelnishes them
15:35 Steadman Kondor ah it's like an escape pod
15:35 Larkylouz Finding society is dependent on finding events, rather than wandering aimlessly through the nation, Ithink.
15:35 Red Quixote Replenishes*
15:35 Carl Metropolitan You can call yourself most anything you want to.
15:35 Tali Rosca The University has a steady influx of new residents, and very often tutors waiting to help, so it is often populated.
15:35 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Alright, thank you.
15:36 Carl Metropolitan If you make a Group Title that fakes the titles used on people's land they are likely to get upset and ban you.
15:36 Tali Rosca But it may not be particularly representative of the Caledon society as such.
15:36 Carl Metropolitan If (for example) someone were to make a Group Title saying "Oxbridge Dean" and wear it here, you would be asking for a ban.
15:36 Tali Rosca The titles used largely reflect the technical powers you have in SL.
15:36 Carl Metropolitan I think that depends on the group too, Tali. Many use them just for fun.
15:36 Tali Rosca The dukes and duchesses, for example, control a homestead.
15:37 Carl Metropolitan Ah. sorry. I misunderstood.
15:37 Tali Rosca So they have power over that sim.
15:37 Carl Metropolitan She's talking about Caledon "Official" Titles; I was talking about SL group titles.
15:37 Tali Rosca Similarly, the deans and tutors here in Oxbridge reflect control over the group and land here.
15:37 Carl Metropolitan Wow, this is confusing isn't it?
15:37 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) ... Quite.
15:37 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) smiles.
15:38 Tali Rosca Yes, I mean the "official" titles.
15:38 Beccha Excuse me
15:38 Tali Rosca Anybody can create their own group and give themselves a title from that.
15:38 Tali Rosca But in the context of "societal hierarchy" in Caledon, it largely reflects the group and land powers.
15:38 Wordsmith Jarvinen Although, they need at least one other willing to be a member of their group.
15:39 Tali Rosca In that sense, a lot of Caledon (and indeed of most themed areas in Second Life) is built as "flavor text" on top of the existing system.
15:40 Carl Metropolitan There is also the "Peer" title in the Independent State of Caledon main group, which I am not sure what it means.
15:40 Carl Metropolitan Plus some that are more roleplay than anything else
15:40 Tali Rosca Or at the very least, the wanted flavor is bent so it somewhat corresponds to the technical possibilities in SL.
15:40 Carl Metropolitan Except for Knight of Caledon, which is for huge services to the realm.
15:41 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) But Caledon, despite being themed, is a more of a social hub than a strict roleplaying area, correct?
15:41 Carl Metropolitan Wait I'm looking some up on the Members and Roles tab
15:41 Carl Metropolitan Yes!
15:41 Carl Metropolitan We are very RP lite!
15:41 Tali Rosca The "Peer" description is "Hereditary and Life Peers of Caledon; Duke, Duchess, Marquise and so forth."
15:41 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) nods.
15:42 Tali Rosca It is, largely speaking, people who have administrative power over *some* area of Caledon.
15:42 Carl Metropolitan "Caledon Princesa" is apparently now used to mean Estate Managers of some or all of Caledon.
15:43 Carl Metropolitan I didn't know that.
15:43 Tali Rosca All that said, the use of titles is generally a (light) roleplaying and flavor touch.
15:44 Tali Rosca And socially, you're largely judged and treated by how you present yourself.
15:44 Carl Metropolitan But keep in mind being an Estate Manager is not some sort of power thing. Its more like being an on-call janitor.
15:44 Tali Rosca If you present an air of nobility, people will respond to you appropriately, even if you're not a large land-owner.
15:44 Larkylouz Although the minute I mention a rule, I'm asked if I own the game. . .
15:44 Red Quixote 'Cleanup on Sim 5'
15:45 Carl Metropolitan Yes. Exactly. Just before the class started some were having to deal with a griefing incident.
15:45 Steadman Kondor Socially there are regular dances and Caledon Library-related events, but no specific social activity that regular involves all of the caledon residents, except perhaps some charity fundraising events
15:45 Larkylouz The famous, or infamous, are largely that due to strength of personality, grace, involvement and humor.
15:46 Tali Rosca And some do become famous by being infamous.
15:46 Tali Rosca The sorely missed evil scientist Hax and his exploding turkeys, for example.
15:46 Wordsmith Jarvinen Or for their rum.... either in procuring or consuming....
15:47 Meora (menchor) there still is an exploding turkey in Tanglewood last time I walked through
15:47 Tali Rosca So you can certainly carve out your own niche in Caledon if you have an idea.
15:47 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Well, there's one common issue with 'lite' roleplay. If you'd like to portray a villain, people will think you're an absolute buffoon.
15:47 Tali Rosca I said *Hax* was missed. Not that his exploding turkeys was!
15:47 Meora (menchor) Ha ha ha hahahaaa
15:48 Tali Rosca I think it is a matter of balancing it with actually doing interesting things as part of the Caledon society.
15:48 Ruth (moabite) rp here involves looking the look and walking the walk, not just talking the talk.
15:49 Steadman Kondor we've had the evil doctor oblensky
15:49 Steadman Kondor there is room for more evil doctors in caledon.... perhaps
15:49 Steadman Kondor i'd just like to know why there arent more evil nurses
15:49 Larkylouz There are some that play the villain, or at lest the demented, with more glee and relish than true evil.
15:49 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) I'm a bit too thick to be a doctor, I'm afraid.
15:50 Red Quixote you're not going to the right hospitals Steadman
15:50 Tali Rosca Since we do not have storylines as such in Caledon, it is more a matter of which *image* you create for yourself, rather than outright opposing somebody.
15:51 Steadman Kondor Yes, and put in an evocative description in the profile
15:51 Tali Rosca The University may not be the best place to see such social interaction, in fact, since we deal heavily with new people who are just randomly passing through.
15:51 Tali Rosca So we are rarely particularly high on roleplaying here.
15:51 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Understandable.
15:52 Steadman Kondor it is nuanced RP...
15:52 Tali Rosca I generally describe Caledon as a shared appreciation for the aesthetics and manners, more than *roleplaying*.
15:52 Josain Zsun I've often wondered about the "randomness" of visitors. COU seems to get waves of Spanish and Portuguese newbies.
15:53 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) You are.
15:53 Steadman Kondor I believe we are on the SL destination list in some manner
15:53 Josain Zsun Ahh…
15:53 Wordsmith Jarvinen Chaotic perhaps.... which does admit to happenings in clusters.
15:53 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) In the starting area there's even a teleport straight here.
15:53 Larkylouz Someone told me that there are just a lot of Brasilieros (sp?) using SL. I have no idea if it is true.
15:54 Tali Rosca Earlier, we had a fairly steady stream of all signups to SL, including many Brazilians.
15:55 Wordsmith Jarvinen It seems to be.... either that or the Brasilieros are just more noticeable.
15:55 Steadman Kondor yes, they were number 2 by population size next the the USA if i remember correctly
15:55 Carl Metropolitan There are, but I don't know what sims. There used to be a community gateway for Brazilians but I don't know if it is still there.
15:55 Larkylouz It is. Ajuda SL Brasil.
15:55 Tali Rosca LL discontinued the *direct* list of welcoming centers, so now we get people a little more randomly, as they happen upon us.
15:55 Josain Zsun Yo Jo
15:55 Larkylouz Also known as 'Inside Me' which is rather confusing.
15:55 Larkylouz Hi Johann.
15:56 Johann Reisende (reisende04) hello everyone
15:56 Meora (menchor) hi Johann
15:56 Carl Metropolitan Can you tell us a bit about the teleport straight here in the starting area, Herr Orwar?
15:56 Johann Reisende (reisende04) Hi Larky
15:56 Carl Metropolitan How did you find it? That is new.
15:56 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Certainly. I made this account just a few days ago, and just after finishing the basic movement course I came to a small area with a couple of teleports with suggested places to learn more of the basics.
15:56 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) COU was one of those locations.
15:57 Tali Rosca Interesting, My guess is that you hit the "B" in the A/B testing, and LL is experimenting with re-creating some tutorial.
15:57 Wordsmith Jarvinen Interesting....
15:58 Tali Rosca Linden Lab continuously run tests with various parts of SL, having two versions in parallel, and running statistics on what works best.
15:58 Wordsmith Jarvinen And then seems at times to ignore the data.
15:58 Tali Rosca I had not heard that they were going to directly back to pointing people to "teaching areas", or even that they had a "basic movement course" (again).
15:59 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Interesting. They didn't even notify you when they put up the portal?
15:59 Carl Metropolitan That is new. I'm glad to see we are an option now.
15:59 Carl Metropolitan True, it could be A/B testing.
15:59 Tali Rosca It certainly doesn't sound like the welcoming area which has been highlighted in a couple of videos making the rounds lately.
15:59 Ruth (moabite) Not really instruction in movement - Just an obstacle course directed by arrows.
15:59 Larkylouz I think we have always been in the destinations list.
15:59 Wordsmith Jarvinen At one point, LL was using community run gateways to integrate newbies into SL society. At that point, Oxbridge was one of the gateways.
15:59 Carl Metropolitan Maybe it is time for a new WA alt :)
15:59 Carl Metropolitan We are one of the few surviving gateways from that program.
16:00 Carl Metropolitan Virtual Ability is another.
16:00 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Ah, I see.
16:00 Tali Rosca Our hour is up now.
16:00 Wordsmith Jarvinen Thank you all.
16:00 Tali Rosca So unless there are any last-minute questions, I'll say this is it for tonight.
16:01 Meora (menchor) just a note some of you may have noticed logins were down for several hours Tuesday
16:01 Tali Rosca A nice talk about Caledonian society.
16:01 Friends of Caledon Oxbridge Donation Medallion Moabite Resident gave a generous donation to Friends of Caledon Oxbridge to help support classes, tutorials, & tier at Caledon's Oxbridge
16:01 Larkylouz That went quickly. Certainly the most entertaining description of Caledon society that I have enjoyed recently.
16:01 Larkylouz Thank you, Deans and everyone.
16:01 Tali Rosca SL entirely blew up Tuesday.
16:01 Meora (menchor) LL actually published a blog post on what happened http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Tools-and-Technology/The-Recent-Unpleasantness/ba-p/2730800
16:01 Gronk Seriman Thank you, Deans!
16:02 Tali Rosca One of the interesting points in that blog is the mention of specific weak spots in their *current* architecture.
16:02 Herr Orwar Furlgrim (orwar) Thank you very much, I've enjoyed it.
16:02 Steadman Kondor thank you all for your questions and attendance :)
16:02 Steadman Kondor yes i saw that blog too dean tali
16:02 Steadman Kondor mySQL doesn't seem quite industrial strength....
16:03 Tali Rosca It is quite battle-proven, though.
16:03 Wordsmith Jarvinen The issue may be scalability.
16:03 Tali Rosca It is running an *amazing* amount of teh internet.