| 14:59 |
Steadman Kondor |
hallo all :) |
| 15:00 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
ahoy |
| 15:01 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
we seem to be low on deans :) |
| 15:01 |
Red Quixote |
Word just arrived |
| 15:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
`There were two hiding outside. |
| 15:02 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
ah, the famous ninja-trained deans of Oxbridge are sneaking in. |
| 15:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
We are popular tonight.... |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
We will start this session with a little gymnastic exercise. |
| 15:03 |
Meora (menchor) |
uhoh |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
So I'll ask everybody to stand up. |
| 15:04 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) |
| 15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
And now try to sit on the back of the bench in front of you. |
| 15:04 |
Jules Doghouse |
trixy |
| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is fixed! |
| 15:04 |
Karin (karinkoudelka) |
Yay |
| 15:04 |
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Steadman Kondor smiles. Not the deans too? |
| 15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
That seemed to work well enough. |
| 15:04 |
Karin (karinkoudelka) |
2 seaters |
| 15:04 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
sih |
| 15:04 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
ish |
| 15:04 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
;) |
| 15:04 |
Red Quixote |
was there a point to that? |
| 15:04 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Test to see if scripts work |
| 15:04 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
it was my request to see if I fixed the bug |
| 15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
Look at Sauce :-) |
| 15:04 |
Red Quixote |
ah |
| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
No. I spoke too soon. Some people still have sat on the edge. |
| 15:05 |
Jules Doghouse |
hahahah@ Mr zsun |
| 15:05 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
I have not :) |
| 15:05 |
Red Quixote |
we have edge sitters |
| 15:05 |
Steadman Kondor |
we always knew he liked to live on the edge |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
So, working better, but still not quite there. |
| 15:05 |
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Sauce Sorrowman nods |
| 15:05 |
Meora (menchor) |
it still fights my AO |
| 15:05 |
Camden McAndrews |
It took a moment, but we jumped onto the seats |
| 15:05 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
... it's living in the fridge..... |
| 15:05 |
Red Quixote |
you should turn your AO off when sitting anyway |
| 15:06 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
it shouldn't do anything to the AO - there are no animations unless you turn them on |
| 15:06 |
Red Quixote |
that is not a valid complaint |
| 15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Living on the back, rather .... the edge would be more to the front. |
| 15:06 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
also - I think the issue is that you're wearing an alpha that hides your thighs |
| 15:06 |
Teal Farlight |
ooh is that available in RL? |
| 15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
Many people have their own sitting animations; that's fairly common. I think the point is that bench overrides that? |
| 15:07 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
the bench will only set a different sit animation if you ask it to, otherwise it just uses whatever your AO says. |
| 15:07 |
Camden McAndrews |
It probably depends on the programming of the AO, and the priority setting of each individual animation. |
| 15:08 |
Tali Rosca |
Could there be an issue with the AO not recognizing the sit because it is not an explicit sit target? |
| 15:08 |
Tali Rosca |
Meora, you're using a client built-in AO? |
| 15:08 |
Red Quixote |
I doubt it |
| 15:08 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
nope, don't think that makes sense. your animation is playing from wherever the avatar is. |
| 15:08 |
Meora (menchor) |
the problem is I stand up, then sit again |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
Anyway, this is specific debugging we should probably not do in this forum. |
| 15:09 |
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Sauce Sorrowman grins |
| 15:09 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
thank you all for helping with the load test though. |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
The sit test was just now we had a crowd to provoke the error. |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
Let us get on with the QA proper. Do anybody have a question? |
| 15:11 |
Karin (karinkoudelka) |
Is Oxbridge or Caledon doing anything for SLB? |
| 15:11 |
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Jules Doghouse fidgits |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
I'll forward that to Carl. |
| 15:11 |
Steadman Kondor |
Yes, I believe Mr Carl has made an application |
| 15:12 |
Tali Rosca |
I don't think there are any specific plans yet,m beyond securing a spot. |
| 15:12 |
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Steadman Kondor nods. |
| 15:12 |
Steadman Kondor |
Perhaps the community might drop suggestions into the faculty mailbox? |
| 15:13 |
Tali Rosca |
What was the theme this year? Looking to the future? |
| 15:13 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Sorry. |
| 15:13 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I was afk |
| 15:13 |
Carl Metropolitan |
We have applied |
| 15:14 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The theme is "The empires of the future are the empires of the mind." |
| 15:14 |
Steadman Kondor |
I believe we can look to the future, even with our tailcoats, corsets and steam powered engines... |
| 15:14 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Since that's sort of what Caledon is about, there's not much BSing to fit :) |
| 15:15 |
Carl Metropolitan |
We proudly look towards the 20th century! |
| 15:15 |
Jules Doghouse |
The best predictor of future behavior is … past behavior |
| 15:15 |
Tali Rosca |
Am I the only one who gets unfortunate Ozymandias allusions by that theme? |
| 15:15 |
Steadman Kondor |
I got the star wars allusion... |
| 15:15 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
Look on my works ye mighty, and despair? |
| 15:16 |
Tali Rosca |
The idea of building an empire (which only lasts in your mind). |
| 15:16 |
Jules Doghouse |
sometimes |
| 15:16 |
Teal Farlight |
20th century lol |
| 15:16 |
Steadman Kondor |
True but minds combined is powerful. Can build mountains and traverse seas |
| 15:17 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
and probably some kind of mushy soup. |
| 15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
Carl, are there any plans for how to proceed with that spot? |
| 15:17 |
Jules Doghouse |
mmmmm soup |
| 15:17 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
that'd be brains combined rather than minds though. |
| 15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
Who will build what? |
| 15:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And create dangers at the bottom of seas.... |
| 15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Yes. I am going to reuse the VWBPE display |
| 15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Though I will replace the sculpty pillars with Mesh ones if I can. |
| 15:17 |
Carl Metropolitan |
This is an Oxbridge display; not a Caledon one. |
| 15:18 |
Red Quixote |
The Empires?? that's a dodgey theme.. it invokes the Star wars trilogy |
| 15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I will have four panes that feature Caledon in general, but it will be mostly Oxbridge. |
| 15:18 |
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Sauce Sorrowman fits a mesh pillar into Carl's postbox |
| 15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I don't know if someone has done Caledon as an estate |
| 15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thank you Sauce |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
I was about to ask that. Has anybody heard anything about that? |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
(Whether Caledon has a spot as well) |
| 15:19 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
(I should probably do a normal map for that - pre-materials build) |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I would assume Desmond would know. |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
That should work pretty well. |
| 15:20 |
Steadman Kondor |
How is the land impact limit Mr Carl? |
| 15:20 |
Steadman Kondor |
Do we have room for any new artifacts? |
| 15:20 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I need to check. Just a moment. |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
So, no rumors about a Caledon spot. Let us catch Des and hear. |
| 15:21 |
Tali Rosca |
Any other questions? |
| 15:21 |
Carl Metropolitan |
269 |
| 15:21 |
Steadman Kondor |
That is generous :) |
| 15:21 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I need to check the VWBPE display and see how many that was |
| 15:21 |
Steadman Kondor |
So we may offer some suggestions if there is room? |
| 15:22 |
Steadman Kondor |
I'd love to see something that comes from the Oxbridge community |
| 15:22 |
Steadman Kondor |
Since it represents all of you |
| 15:23 |
Steadman Kondor |
On another note, I and other members of the faculty are working on starting up the Oxbridge Gazette |
| 15:24 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It is 188 LI right now. |
| 15:24 |
Steadman Kondor |
There will be announcements soon about staffing, call for volunteers. |
| 15:24 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I have rezzed it on the roof of the lecture hall |
| 15:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So, still some some to wiggle. |
| 15:24 |
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Sauce Sorrowman starts salivating over the engine again |
| 15:24 |
Steadman Kondor |
That's great, Mr Carl! |
| 15:24 |
Tali Rosca |
What does the "Gazette" entail? |
| 15:25 |
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Karin (karinkoudelka) used to be a star gazzette |
| 15:25 |
Steadman Kondor |
It is a publication for the community in the COU, covering special events announcements and reportage |
| 15:25 |
Steadman Kondor |
interviews of scholars and faculty |
| 15:25 |
Carl Metropolitan |
(On the exhibit--please cam out and look at it and see if you all have any suggestions) |
| 15:26 |
Steadman Kondor |
special events means building competitions and other activities we have here in addition to the classes. |
| 15:26 |
Teal Farlight |
oh i love the building model |
| 15:26 |
Steadman Kondor |
There will be room for some appropriate fiction and informative articles of used to the Oxbridge Scholar. |
| 15:26 |
Steadman Kondor |
We'd love to publish some of the PHoto Salon's works too |
| 15:27 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
what format would it be in? website/pdf/inworld? |
| 15:27 |
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Steadman Kondor can hear the steam engines. |
| 15:27 |
Larkylouz |
Oh, excellent. I'll post that as soon as you are up and ready for submissions! |
| 15:27 |
Tali Rosca |
The idea is to create something for the regular community, too, and not just the newbies zooming through. |
| 15:27 |
Steadman Kondor |
It will be in website form, linked to our COU. There willb e various tools and gadgets to link to it. |
| 15:27 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Let me turn that off so people are not distracted. |
| 15:28 |
Steadman Kondor |
So, stay tuned :) and if you already know you would like to be more actively part of the gazette, please drop me a line. |
| 15:29 |
Tali Rosca |
How soon can we expect to see anything? I assume there is some ground-work which need to be laid first= |
| 15:30 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
would you see it as a "periodical" (i.e. an issue every month/week) or more of a regularly-updating website (an article per day or some such schedule)? |
| 15:30 |
Steadman Kondor |
Yes, as part of this new developments, the Guv Desmond Shang has offered new space in the Village |
| 15:30 |
Steadman Kondor |
To house the Gazette headquarters. Dean Martini |
| 15:30 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The latter I would suggest. |
| 15:30 |
Steadman Kondor |
is working on an adjuct cafe that will be used for socials |
| 15:30 |
Steadman Kondor |
and some events - that will break the 20 avatar limit |
| 15:30 |
Steadman Kondor |
otherwise here. |
| 15:31 |
Steadman Kondor |
We are looking at getting the gazette up after a few of these things are completed. Perhaps 3-4 week timeframe. I'd like to get the staff team built up in the meantime. |
| 15:31 |
Karin (karinkoudelka) |
What is the planned location? |
| 15:31 |
Steadman Kondor |
The location is the s/w corner of village. |
| 15:31 |
Tali Rosca |
In the village, under the sandbox. |
| 15:32 |
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Steadman Kondor nods. |
| 15:32 |
Steadman Kondor |
We are not looking at a gazette that is a massive thing to read every month, but a regular stream of small and medium sized articles each week |
| 15:33 |
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Sauce Sorrowman nods - I think that works best too. |
| 15:33 |
Steadman Kondor |
That reflects the community, informs the community, and celebrates the works, and creations of the community. |
| 15:33 |
Steadman Kondor |
As we all learn and improve our abilities here at COU |
| 15:34 |
Steadman Kondor |
We decided against a social media presence so far, and perhaps will count on loyal followers of the publications here to share interesting articles in FB , G+ , Twitter, etc. |
| 15:34 |
Tali Rosca |
Steadman has been quite the whirlwind of activity after we got him on the team as Dean of Development. |
| 15:34 |
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Steadman Kondor smiles. |
| 15:34 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
plurk.... |
| 15:35 |
Steadman Kondor |
Thank you I am inspired by the community at COU. That powers me on |
| 15:35 |
Karin (karinkoudelka) |
That brings to mind an arcadia Asylum whilrwind. |
| 15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
Plurk is strangely big in the SL community, though as far as I have heard, it has tapered off a little? |
| 15:36 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Most people I know in SL use twitter. |
| 15:36 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I think Plurk failed to overcome twitters network effect. |
| 15:36 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
...what's Plurk? |
| 15:37 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Plurk was a would-be twitter competitor with a very different interface. Some people found it much easier to use. |
| 15:37 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Others like me, found it confusing. |
| 15:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I've noted SL people who announce on Twitter but point to Plurk, although I've not set it up myself. |
| 15:37 |
Tali Rosca |
As Steadman mentioned, though, we'll not commit to any social media presence, largely to avoid fragmenting the information too much. |
| 15:37 |
Steadman Kondor |
Plurk is noted for it's 'timelines' before FB started theirs |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
So, that was some news from Oxbridge. |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
Let us move on to other questions or topics. |
| 15:39 |
Camden McAndrews |
<-- has never really used any of those social media things. |
| 15:39 |
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Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) avoids twitter |
| 15:39 |
Red Quixote |
Is the campus doing better these day?.. are we more solvent? |
| 15:39 |
Red Quixote |
*days |
| 15:40 |
Steadman Kondor |
Our generous class sponsors support the outgoings for the regular weekly classes. |
| 15:41 |
Tali Rosca |
I think Steadman's sponsor push brought us a very long way, but I haven't run the numbers recently. |
| 15:41 |
Red Quixote |
aye,.. but that does not answer my question |
| 15:41 |
Steadman Kondor |
We need to be solvent for the land tier too. |
| 15:41 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We have not been close to insolvent for a long while. |
| 15:41 |
Steadman Kondor |
We have plans for that. |
| 15:42 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But, we do have to be consistent with our sponsors to stay in good shape. |
| 15:42 |
Tali Rosca |
So essentially, our current sponsors cover half the expenses, and the other half come from "random" donations? |
| 15:42 |
Steadman Kondor |
It will require a continued support from the community and the believers for us to continue to be strongly solvent into the future. So the right time to plan is now. |
| 15:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And, we do have to think with foresight to have our yearly tier on hand when due it comes. |
| 15:43 |
Josain Zsun |
What is the due date? |
| 15:43 |
Red Quixote |
I aks because a few years ago , after Carl and a few others left us, Oxbridge was in pretty rough shape for a while,. Professors were asked to take a 50% cut in the stipend for teaching classes,... it has been a number of years now,. and I am wondering if there is any plan to restore them to their former amount |
| 15:44 |
Steadman Kondor |
No there is no plans. I worked on the class sponsor program to cover the monthly outgoings at that point in April |
| 15:44 |
Steadman Kondor |
And to cover that for 3 months solid. |
| 15:44 |
Steadman Kondor |
Now, if the class outgoings vary up or down - there is the general donation to cover that. |
| 15:45 |
Steadman Kondor |
So, our position has strengthened from April |
| 15:45 |
Tali Rosca |
I am merely dean of Engines, so I don't run the treasury, but it seems very unlikely to me that we can raise the stipend. |
| 15:46 |
Steadman Kondor |
So Professor's Red query, I would take as a request to reconsider the stipend? |
| 15:46 |
Red Quixote |
I think it is time, yes |
| 15:46 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I'd have to check on the due date, which I'm not on my usual computer for today..... but offhand, I think we have something like 8 months to go this years. |
| 15:46 |
Steadman Kondor |
I can't answer at this time, but will confer with the faculty |
| 15:47 |
Steadman Kondor |
It is a significant impact with the planned finances at present. |
| 15:47 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We so far are not in great surplus, when tier is also considered. At the time we had a larger stipend, Oxbridge was not paying tier from contributions but from specific benefactors. |
| 15:48 |
Steadman Kondor |
Foremost, our concern is to keep funds to keep the sim (land tier) going so we have an assured location |
| 15:48 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Actually, at that time we were not paying tier at all. Caledon was covering all the tier costs. |
| 15:48 |
Red Quixote |
well that is closer to answering my original question,. thank you Word |
| 15:48 |
Tali Rosca |
Our expenses are currently split roughly 50-50 between stipend and tier. |
| 15:49 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Tali, do you remember the total tier per year, offhand? |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
And we cover that. But no more. |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
I can find the number. |
| 15:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I want to say 220 k $L / year. |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
Close. You misplaced some numbers. It's 202K |
| 15:51 |
Steadman Kondor |
The raw cost of the homestead, with some adjustments for cross usage - between Caledon and here |
| 15:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
kk Thanks |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
And stipends amount to a bit more than that. |
| 15:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And our resources right now as of doing payroll last night are about 140 k $L |
| 15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
Payment is due in November |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So, we need net proceeds of about $10 k per month. |
| 15:53 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I have a suggestion for making some more money. We have a group of 12000 or so in size. I believe it is regularly trimmed of people who have not logged on in x months. We could sell three sponsored group messages with an "AD:" preface in the title and an explanation that selling this helps us cover tier and expenses. I think you could get 500-1000L$ for each sponsored group message. |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
10 k $L / month |
| 15:53 |
Camden McAndrews |
FWIW: 202,000 L$/year for a homestead is a fantastically good price. |
| 15:54 |
Tali Rosca |
It is, yes. We are grandfathered. |
| 15:54 |
Steadman Kondor |
probably close to the raw cost - yes and grandfathered... |
| 15:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The library parcel is independent funded. |
| 15:54 |
Camden McAndrews |
That would 'slain it. :) |
| 15:54 |
Carl Metropolitan |
We are using a grandfathered in 95US/month minus the tier paid by the library in the center (we don't own or control that land) and minus the money Desmond makes off the three ad posters in the social area behind the lecture hall. |
| 15:55 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And with all that, we are getting it at close to cost. |
| 15:55 |
Steadman Kondor |
If the tutor stipend is to be increased, i would like to see classes with smaller numbers revived to make effort to increase class sizes. |
| 15:55 |
Tali Rosca |
As for selling advertising in the group, I am *very* wary of that. |
| 15:55 |
Steadman Kondor |
Introducing new and advanced material, like Professor Red, can be seen as a meritous activity. |
| 15:56 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
IMO there is not much we can do to increase attendance if potential students are not interested. |
| 15:56 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Why? |
| 15:56 |
Tali Rosca |
I think it would cause a dramatic drop in group membership. |
| 15:56 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Ad invite spamming |
| 15:56 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I think it would be your best way of raising money. |
| 15:56 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
"You do it, why not me?" |
| 15:56 |
Tali Rosca |
And, as Elfbiter says, open it up for other people using it for advertising. |
| 15:56 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Because there is a clear price for it. |
| 15:57 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And if you spam, you are ejected. |
| 15:57 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
And spammer gets a new throwaway account and continues. |
| 15:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Into high orbit... |
| 15:57 |
Tali Rosca |
When we have the group ban tools, that could be an option. |
| 15:57 |
Tali Rosca |
We can't do anything about hit-and-run spammers anyway. |
| 15:57 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
nothing is stopping spammers from doing it now anyway |
| 15:57 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
but I agree - I think ads would encourage them |
| 15:58 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
people would think they were "oxbridge-sanctioned" ads |
| 15:58 |
Camden McAndrews |
Is Oxbridge looking for new classes? |
| 15:58 |
Steadman Kondor |
We will take Mr Carl's suggestion on board though, and review with the faculty |
| 15:58 |
Tali Rosca |
Always. |
| 15:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
However, our sponsors do not get a place on our web pages. |
| 15:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
do get |
| 15:58 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I think a well managed group notice ad sales campaign could bring in 2000-3000 a week. |
| 15:59 |
Carl Metropolitan |
This would be seperate from the regular sponsors. This would be something people could use to promote events, sales, new businesses, etc. |
| 15:59 |
Tali Rosca |
Personally, I think it would lead to the impression that Oxbridge has sold out, and people leaving the group. |
| 15:59 |
Steadman Kondor |
We want classes that reflect the community needs, and fit within our General guidelines... |
| 15:59 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Iäm inclined to agree with lady Rosca |
| 15:59 |
Steadman Kondor |
Well attended classes :-) |
| 16:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Then the people leaving the group can bloody well pay for Oxbridge. |
| 16:00 |
Camden McAndrews |
A class will be well attended if it has a reputation for being fun and rewarding, and if people know about it in time to attend. |
| 16:00 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Wordsmith is in charge of classes. If you have one to propose talk to him, and he can help you. |
| 16:01 |
Larkylouz |
I have had luck advertising Photo Salon lectures a few days ahead, which seems to increase attendance. I haven't done it often enough to swear by it, however. |
| 16:01 |
Camden McAndrews |
.. at least, within my experience from teaching in SL |
| 16:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
He's quite good at it :) |
| 16:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And has several new ones in the works. |
| 16:01 |
Steadman Kondor |
Whatever you are doing, it is working well, Miss Larkylouz :) |
| 16:02 |
Larkylouz |
:^) |
| 16:02 |
Tali Rosca |
It seems time is up, so let us stop for now. |
| 16:03 |
Friends of Caledon Oxbridge Donation Medallion |
KarinKoudelka Resident gave a generous donation to Friends of Caledon Oxbridge to help support classes, tutorials, & tier at Caledon's Oxbridge |
| 16:03 |
Larkylouz |
Thank you, everyone. Thanks to Deans for all their hard work. |
| 16:03 |
Tali Rosca |
Thanks for attending tonight, and bringing up some ideas. |
| 16:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
A goodly batch of discussion. Thank you all. |
| 16:03 |
Steadman Kondor |
If anything today's session is testament to how we are quite transparent as to our organisation of COU and funding. |
| 16:03 |
Steadman Kondor |
and active debate :) |
| 16:03 |
Steadman Kondor |
Thank you all! |
| 16:03 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
BEdtime for me. |
| 16:03 |
Red Quixote |
adieu |
| 16:03 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Be seeing you |
| 16:03 |
Sauce Sorrowman |
gnight all |
| 16:03 |
Tali Rosca |
There aren't any *secrets* about it. It's more a question of who cares to listen to it :-) |