15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
Welcome to the weekly QA. |
15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
As most of you know, this is a somewhat free-form questions-and-answers session, where we will try to answer questions - or at least guide the topic - about what is going on in Oxbridge and SL at large. |
15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
You can see our area of expertise here: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php |
15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
So, with a dramatic flourish, who has the first question? |
15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
Or, possibly, who has the first question with a dramatic flourish? |
15:05 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
/me doesn't have a question, but so many flourishes... :*( |
15:05 |
Red Quixote |
is Wordsmith still away? |
15:05 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
i think so, yes |
15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
As I recall, yes. |
15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
So what you see is what you get. |
15:05 |
Red Quixote |
:) |
15:05 |
Red Quixote |
we got good |
15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
Well, if there are no questions, I can mention that we have had a fairly big, but surprisingly non-glaring change here in Oxbridge. |
15:07 |
Tali Rosca |
Did anybody notice on the way here? |
15:07 |
Meora (menchor) |
the hall of Caledon? |
15:07 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
nope |
15:07 |
Duke (nitos.dezno) |
no |
15:07 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
If oyu meen materials. no |
15:07 |
Phrynne |
the new fencing behind the hall of avatar appearance? |
15:07 |
Mentadent |
It's spring now - lol |
15:07 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
isn't it obvious? Mr. Skysmith is no longer a robot! |
15:07 |
Tali Rosca |
The tutorial halls have been replaced with mesh versions of the buildings. |
15:07 |
Larkylouz |
LOL |
15:08 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
well, the fencing is new too, since last weekend, yes. |
15:08 |
Larkylouz |
Don't make it hard for the Deans or anything, you all. |
15:08 |
Duke (nitos.dezno) |
o bien |
15:08 |
Nitos Dezno |
or |
15:08 |
Duke (nitos.dezno) |
good |
15:08 |
Tali Rosca |
They keep the same look very closely, but they actually have a lot more detail which you will likely go, "Oh! Didn't the old ones have that?" about. |
15:08 |
Larkylouz |
Thanks for all the hard work, Deans. I know this has been in process for months. |
15:08 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) :-) |
15:08 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
wel materials as i told just another way to bake |
15:09 |
Red Quixote |
the new buildings look great :D |
15:09 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
indeed, it took a year, round about, with some breaks :-) |
15:09 |
Meora (menchor) |
materials resond to light |
15:09 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
whispers: fac ehand so long! |
15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
The credit goes to Rav, with some of us being backseat drivers. |
15:09 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
It looks lovely |
15:09 |
Meora (menchor) |
wel done |
15:10 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
Has it lowered the LI? |
15:10 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
not |
15:10 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
it was a cooperation, the deans and some professors who came up with very good ideas and wishes. so we changed it again and again. |
15:10 |
Tali Rosca |
Rav, I'll let you field those questions about the specifics. |
15:10 |
Meora (menchor) |
if you increase the detail it looks better at the same LI |
15:10 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
mesh does in dome ways. but in some way the way does make it more heavy |
15:11 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
right now, the LI is a lil bit higher, at 68 LI i think. it was 57 before with the prim buildings. |
15:11 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
there is still a potential to lower LI, but i don't want to have them look bad from distance, for those making photos and those walking around at lowest settings. |
15:12 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
the news is that you have to look at the nder info. and se the date explode |
15:12 |
Tali Rosca |
It was important to keep the same look, as it is very much a landmark of Caledon. |
15:12 |
Mentadent |
what is nder info, pls? |
15:12 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
typo |
15:12 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
ormsteins chair is equal heavy as all nenches in the hall |
15:12 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
yup |
15:12 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
benches |
15:13 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
that is because the mesh with the new materials eat it up |
15:13 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
it has 69 LI |
15:13 |
Tali Rosca |
You have a 69LI chair?!? o.O |
15:13 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
1,420 Ktris |
15:13 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
this chair is a prim building, must be very old, i found it in my inventory |
15:14 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
against 1.720 Ktris |
15:14 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
that are the real engine values |
15:14 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
the new ebgine doe slook at tris and Ktris not prims and mesh |
15:14 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
but it looks nice, doesn't it? :-) |
15:15 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
A FERRARI DOES LOOK NICE ALSO |
15:15 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
oeps caps sorry |
15:15 |
Tali Rosca |
There will be further meshification, and probably some tweaks as we go along. |
15:15 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
I do not think that it will |
15:16 |
Tali Rosca |
So that, at least, was some news from here in Oxbridge. |
15:16 |
Meora (menchor) |
are you using mesh studio or an outside Sl application to make the mesh? |
15:16 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
Blender only |
15:16 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
The SL engine can not handle more |
15:17 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
Blender is one option witha solution |
15:17 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Airship network? |
15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
Jorge is still pinned down by RL. |
15:17 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
making a good mesh is not possible in belender for sl |
15:17 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
sorry |
15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
But he is fully aware and on it. |
15:17 |
Larkylouz |
The CATs? I overheard Jorge say that it would be a month or two yet, I think. |
15:18 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Okay. |
15:18 |
Meora (menchor) |
Jorge said shooting for the middle of April yesterday |
15:18 |
Larkylouz |
Thank you, Meora. |
15:18 |
Meora (menchor) |
doesn't mean he is going to hit it |
15:18 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
yes, some weeks back he said it would take a month to set up the first route, since he has to re-script the system. lets give him time for it |
15:18 |
Gronk Seriman |
How about the trains? I haven't seen on in a long time. |
15:18 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
let me guess that will be june |
15:19 |
Martini Discovolante |
i have seen them here. |
15:19 |
Larkylouz |
I see them periodically. |
15:19 |
Meora (menchor) |
the one came by here at 3:56 |
15:19 |
Gronk Seriman |
Oh! OK. |
15:19 |
Martini Discovolante |
you have to be quick! |
15:19 |
Tali Rosca |
...unless it decides to chase you. |
15:19 |
Mentadent |
why is it "making a good mesh is not possible in belender for sl"?? |
15:19 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
question to the deans. how do you alls ee the future of sl? |
15:19 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
there are several routes in Caledon. could be that one only is interrupted perhaps |
15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
Blender is what most people use. I assume Peter just wanted to let us all know that he has some amazing, secret knowledge. |
15:20 |
Mentadent |
and what is that knowledge? |
15:20 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
That was not the question |
15:21 |
Mentadent |
So WHJAT is wrong with Blender? |
15:21 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
blender simple subduved a factor 2 + to much |
15:21 |
Martini Discovolante |
After near seven years, i have learned not to speculate, or rumourate. |
15:21 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
...aw cripes.... |
15:22 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
future of SL, pretty hard to foresee. but we all now, nothing will exist forever. on the other side, Virtual Worlds are still something new and they will develop a lot over the next decades, so SL itself might vanish one day and we will move to another virtual world. well, one day... nobody knows when it will happen |
15:22 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
maybe yesterday? |
15:22 |
Beccha |
smiles |
15:22 |
Larkylouz |
For the most part, I prefer to enjoy each day as it comes here. |
15:23 |
Martini Discovolante |
every 6 hours |
15:25 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
All i see is this. SL did miss the boat in materials as and shaders as well with sculpts. and now wioth mesh in some way as uploading . This in objects and avatars |
15:25 |
Larkylouz |
In case there is someone here that I have not complained to, the most recent LLV has done a number on my low-level computer. Much less lag, much less detail. I mention it to remind you-all that not everyone's computer is going to see what most folks see. I actually discovered that a shirt I thought was solid has been See-through all this time. |
15:25 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
is that calculated or just a big mistake? |
15:25 |
Martini Discovolante |
no one knows. |
15:25 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
I go from low level computers |
15:26 |
Tali Rosca |
Any other questions? |
15:26 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
Do you all have any contact to LL or lindens? |
15:26 |
Mentadent |
Peter, with all your great knowledge and insights, - it seems to me you should found your own Cirtuaöl Worlds Company? |
15:27 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
/me refuses to feed the troll. |
15:27 |
Mentadent |
*Virtual |
15:27 |
Tali Rosca |
No, Oxbridge has no special status. |
15:27 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
thx |
15:27 |
Tali Rosca |
And no secret insider contacts. |
15:27 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
Larky, you should show us this shirt perhaps, just to find out how it happened. we can do that perhaps tomorrow |
15:27 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
Ah ye si do have my own virtual world. b) I did work for LL |
15:27 |
Martini Discovolante |
Ravelli! |
15:27 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
and c) i know wvey well what is going on |
15:28 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
Martini, not that way!! |
15:28 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Great, LL politics... |
15:28 |
Larkylouz |
/me looks cross-eyed at Ravelli and Martini. |
15:28 |
Mentadent |
hehehe |
15:28 |
Martini Discovolante |
shocked! shocked I tell you! |
15:28 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
/me blushes |
15:28 |
Meora (menchor) |
Ha ha ha hahahaaa |
15:28 |
Martini Discovolante |
DOWN BEAR! |
15:28 |
Martini Discovolante |
:P |
15:28 |
Mentadent |
yeah - DOWN, you bear !!! |
15:29 |
Martini Discovolante |
just teasign you, Rav -- there is no bigger gentleman in SL than this small bear! |
15:29 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
you think that work? what does that meen? |
15:29 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
thank you |
15:30 |
Larkylouz |
Okay, all you models of Victorian civility, the shirt comes with a bra! (No comment on whether I always wore it!) |
15:30 |
Larkylouz |
/me retires from TMI |
15:30 |
Martini Discovolante |
:) |
15:31 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
lol |
15:31 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
scratch head |
15:31 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Does not look transparent to me. |
15:31 |
Tali Rosca |
As for other news about Caledon, I've been told that Red has something to add? |
15:32 |
Martini Discovolante |
Professor Red! |
15:33 |
Red Quixote |
I have prepared a new class for Oxbridge, I intend to debut it this tuesday @ 3pm SLT,... |
15:33 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
:D |
15:33 |
Martini Discovolante |
congratulations! |
15:33 |
Steadman Kondor |
/me claps and grins |
15:33 |
Mentadent |
great news |
15:33 |
Red Quixote |
it is for all the students who wanted more classes on animation,. this one will deal with pose balls and attachments |
15:33 |
Mentadent |
what is it? |
15:34 |
Beccha |
wow |
15:34 |
Duke (nitos.dezno) |
verdaderamente interesante |
15:34 |
Nitos Dezno |
really interesting |
15:34 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
That's exciting stuff! |
15:34 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
excellent news! |
15:34 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
/me unfurls two flags to wave them |
15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
I assume that will have to touch upon scripting them as well? |
15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
Or at least configuring standard scripts. |
15:35 |
Red Quixote |
so,. .if you are interested in making your own poseballs and attachments,. do come out |
15:35 |
Red Quixote |
yes Tali |
15:35 |
Red Quixote |
I have endeavored to be thorough |
15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
-Few things in SL are single-discipline. |
15:36 |
Tali Rosca |
Great to hear about the new class, and thanks for doing it. |
15:36 |
Martini Discovolante |
truetrue |
15:37 |
Red Quixote |
it was in the interests of having fun |
15:37 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
the problem in sl is not what you do. but how |
15:37 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
and what is the level od know how |
15:37 |
Red Quixote |
and animation is supposed to be fun,. indeed,. isn't that what the vast amjority of us are here for? |
15:37 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
and that is just a . bla |
15:38 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
you find not on any side the real good information |
15:38 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
o thruth |
15:38 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
no thruth i meen |
15:38 |
Meora (menchor) |
didn't LL recently increase the length of an animation from 30 seconds to a minute? |
15:38 |
Martini Discovolante |
i look forward to taking it , Red ~ long time since i made one :) |
15:38 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
that is no improvement |
15:38 |
Red Quixote |
I'm sure it will evolve as time goes by |
15:39 |
Mentadent |
yeah - that class sounds interesting and promising |
15:39 |
Martini Discovolante |
Welcome Tiago-- please right click on any bench and choose SIT |
15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
Any other questions? |
15:40 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
nah i go to bed have a good time all |
15:40 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
Good night, Mr Peterman |
15:40 |
Martini Discovolante |
cheers. |
15:40 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
you all know what I meen |
15:40 |
Duke (nitos.dezno) |
/me aplaude |
15:40 |
Nitos Dezno |
/ Me applauds |
15:40 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
so that it will be |
15:41 |
Mentadent |
sleep well, Peter13 |
15:41 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
LL is digging her own grave |
15:41 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
bye bye |
15:41 |
Duke (nitos.dezno) |
bye |
15:41 |
Martini Discovolante |
buhbye, mr peterman |
15:41 |
Red Quixote |
yeah,. cheer up,... some of us are trying to have fun here |
15:42 |
tiago5988 |
where am i? |
15:42 |
Mentadent |
hahaha |
15:42 |
Martini Discovolante |
this si Caledon OXbridge, Mr Taigo |
15:42 |
Tali Rosca |
As for other SL news, it may be worth mentioning that SL Go dropped their prices drastically recently, bringing them to a level which seem downright reasonable. |
15:42 |
Martini Discovolante |
this si a place for beginners to learn about Second Life |
15:43 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
/me feels ashamed that he doesn't know what SL go is |
15:43 |
tiago5988 |
thank you |
15:43 |
tiago5988 |
for answer |
15:43 |
Tali Rosca |
SL Go is a 3rd party service which lets you run high-quality settings on a mobile device (or even on a low-powered PC). |
15:43 |
Mentadent |
Take a seat , Tiago - this is the place for your questions .. |
15:44 |
Tali Rosca |
It renders SL on a powerful server, and streams it as video to you. |
15:44 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
:O |
15:44 |
Tali Rosca |
They launched with some quite expensive prices, and caught a lot of criticism for it. |
15:45 |
Martini Discovolante |
where we ask questions avbout Second Life |
15:45 |
Josain Zsun |
They just announced lower rates. |
15:45 |
Martini Discovolante |
what are the ates now? |
15:45 |
Martini Discovolante |
rates. |
15:45 |
Tali Rosca |
1$ per hour, or 10$ for a month unlimited. |
15:46 |
Martini Discovolante |
that is almost doable |
15:46 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
10 for a month is going to more fair |
15:46 |
Martini Discovolante |
i would have a look, |
15:46 |
Tali Rosca |
I don't want to come across as advertising it; I don't really have a horse in that race, but it *is* an interesting aspect of the Second Life environment. |
15:46 |
Martini Discovolante |
does it work on the iPad? |
15:46 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
it says android devices |
15:47 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
on their site |
15:47 |
Tali Rosca |
I honestly can't remember which specific clients it is on. |
15:47 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
/me is reading about it excitedly |
15:47 |
Martini Discovolante |
poop. |
15:47 |
Duke (nitos.dezno) |
con una conexion minima de 4G... |
15:47 |
Nitos Dezno |
Connect with minimal 4G ... |
15:47 |
Martini Discovolante |
i already have Lumiya, for free. still would be interestign to see the difference. |
15:47 |
Meora (menchor) |
Android |
15:48 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
"over 50 FPS with a 512-meter draw distance" |
15:48 |
Tali Rosca |
By all accounts, it really works, and the servers they use are *brutal*, allowing far greater graphics settings than most people will ever use on their own computer. |
15:49 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
"OnLive has clocked the SL Go viewer at upwards of 200 fps set to Ultra with Maximum Render Distance, allowing people to participate in events, engage in combat games, and generally enjoy immersion in Second Life at a level never before possible on a mobile device." |
15:49 |
Tali Rosca |
I have not tried it myself, though; only read about it (from several bloggers). |
15:49 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
on PCs it should lower energy costs a lil bit |
15:49 |
Larkylouz |
/me thinks she should research this! |
15:50 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
/me thinks Larkylouz should research this as well! |
15:50 |
Martini Discovolante |
/me adds it to her list of jazz to do |
15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
That sounds like a home assignment. |
15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
Research it and tell us next week :-) |
15:51 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
This sounds pretty cool |
15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
I don't think I have any other tidbits to throw in now. |
15:52 |
Gronk Seriman |
I am excited about Firestorm DUI. |
15:52 |
Meora (menchor) |
which was the ultimate April Fools joke |
15:52 |
Gronk Seriman |
Dynamic User Interface. |
15:53 |
Larkylouz |
So SL Go makes things faster. Can it help with low vid card issues? |
15:53 |
Tali Rosca |
Now combine that with a working side dock where you can actually dock what you want, and you would have a good UI. |
15:53 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
It is really important. there are truly too many drunken motorists using firestorm. |
15:53 |
Mr. Snow (tehckisnow) |
oh. |
15:53 |
Larkylouz |
/me thanks heaven for the Firestorm Support team |
15:53 |
Tali Rosca |
Larky, yes, it essentially doesn't use your graphics card at all. |
15:53 |
Larkylouz |
Wooohooo! |
15:54 |
Tali Rosca |
(For those who missed it, the "DUI"; Dynamic User Interface, will allow you to have floating windows*outside* the main window). |
15:55 |
Gronk Seriman |
I have been using two monitors for a long time. I have always wished I can pull all the little windows off of the viewer and onto the second monitor. Firestorm is working on that now. |
15:55 |
Tali Rosca |
Which would be *really* convenient... yes, for dual monitor setups. |
15:55 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
/me needs a second monitor now |
15:55 |
Beccha |
Makes me want to buy a second monitor |
15:56 |
Tali Rosca |
We're closing in on the hour, so any last question? |
15:58 |
uɐɯɹǝʇǝd 31ɹǝʇǝd (peter13.peterman) |
maybe all this is a part of LL . maybe this forum is a LL forum ;) |
15:58 |
Martini Discovolante |
ummm. nope. |
15:58 |
Red Quixote |
what a goober |
15:58 |
Martini Discovolante |
whispers: next question? |
15:58 |
Martini Discovolante |
any other paranoic rantings tonight? |
15:58 |
Red Quixote |
:) |
15:58 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
he should now, since he proclaimed to have been LL employee |
15:58 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
What are you smoking? |
15:59 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
*know |
15:59 |
Tali Rosca |
I was thinking the same, Rav. |
15:59 |
Mentadent |
Peter feels like the Edgar Snowden of LL |
15:59 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
:-) |
15:59 |
Meora (menchor) |
lol |
15:59 |
Martini Discovolante |
cause the bars are closed? |
15:59 |
Mentadent |
hahaha |
15:59 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
We have only his word that he has anything to with anything. |
15:59 |
Tali Rosca |
If there are no questions, let us say this is it for today. |