Caledon Oxbridge Q&A for 2014-03-23

15:00	Martini Discovolante	i am relogging again...
15:01	Tali Rosca	Let us wait for Martini to return, and then begin.
15:02	Steadman Kondor	dont mind my groping around. i'm not sighted today :)
15:02	Tali Rosca	Dean Kondor is joining us on a text client from across the globe.
15:03	Wordsmith Jarvinen	And has managed to become seated.
15:03	Charlie Navarathna	:)
15:03	Steadman Kondor	It used to be a little easier when the benches were attached to the hall
15:04	Tali Rosca	Welcome to another installment of "QA with the deans".
15:04	Tali Rosca	As most of you know, this is a free-format questions-and-answers session, where we will do our best to answer questions - or guide a discussion - about the state of Oxbridge, Caledon and SL as a whole.
15:04	Tali Rosca	The deans have each their own area of expertise, as can be seen here: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php
15:04	Charlie Navarathna	wb Dean Martini
15:04	Tali Rosca	So without further ado, who has the first question?
15:04	zsazsy	puts her hand up
15:05	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Yes?
15:05	zsazsy	my library in my inventory has disappeared
15:05	zsazsy	can someone help me find it again?
15:05	Steadman Kondor	Did you try to rez it somewhere before it disappeared?
15:06	Tali Rosca	The usual fix for such things is to "Clear cache", which you can do from the Preference dialog box, and then relog.
15:06	Mr. Snow (tehckisnow)	eep!
15:06	Tali Rosca	That forces your client to re-sync with the servers.
15:07	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	:-)
15:07	Tali Rosca	Though it is rarely necessary these days, so it could be another problem.
15:07	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Cache clearing did not work.
15:07	Tali Rosca	I am hearing rumors about rather screwy behavior today.
15:07		Steadman Kondor nods. Coincidentally I did lose a dance ball the day before, but found it when I relogged
15:07	Tali Rosca	Elfbiter, this was not the texture problem, but missing inventory.
15:08	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Ah
15:08	Larkylouz	Hi Meora
15:08	Wordsmith Jarvinen	It is possible to hide one's library by a debug setting, which also suggests some viewers may have an option for doing that..
15:08	Tali Rosca	-Apparently, there is also some texture trouble going around today, though I have only heard that second-hand. Elfbiter knows a bit more about *that* one.
15:09	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	"knowing" is not the right word, I'm afraid...
15:09	Wordsmith Jarvinen	The debug setting is mentioned here. http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Advanced-inventory-management/ta-p/1376385
15:10	zsazsy	my library is back. thank you
15:10	Tali Rosca	It is quite likely that a 3rd party viewer exposes such debug settings.
15:10	Wordsmith Jarvinen	More like the understanding that comes from being dragged behind a chariot, Elfbiter?
15:10	Charlie Navarathna	also system folders now become invisible if they are empty. aparently
15:10	Tali Rosca	Ah, good to hear. That was the simple fix, then.
15:11	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Well, in a way, thought "experience" could be more suitable word than "understanding" :-)
15:11	Steadman Kondor	it was the debug setting?
15:11		Wordsmith Jarvinen nods
15:11	Tali Rosca	We may perhaps chalk the texture problem up to general weekend trouble. It is not unheard of for SL to flake out under the weekend load.
15:12	Tali Rosca	There is nothing on http://status.secondlifegrid.net/ , though.
15:12	Larkylouz	Mr. Snow! Those are *snow*flakes. How could you not recognize them?
15:12	Meora (menchor)	Ha ha ha hahahaaa
15:12		Larkylouz is aghast and bemused.
15:12	Wordsmith Jarvinen	I was having problems with textures appearing last night. Seemed to fix after a couple of relogs. I did notice that inventory loading seemed not to be working then.
15:13	Mr. Snow (tehckisnow)	That was my initial reaction, but I thought I had must be mistaken, considering the weather outside.
15:13	Mr. Snow (tehckisnow)	As an expert on snow, I have never witnessed it snowing inside when it is NOT also snowing outside!
15:13	Wordsmith Jarvinen	The symptom was in having something invisible, but I could select from a visible linked part.
15:14	Tali Rosca	The snowflakes are a little late to the party, I must say.
15:14	Tali Rosca	Other questions?
15:15	Shouten Haller	Welcome Miss Darwinian
15:15	Tali Rosca	-Incidentally, speaking of glitches...
15:15	Anna Darwinian	Waves to the Deans... and Mr Haller and everybody, smiles
15:15	Charlie Navarathna	raises hand
15:15	Tali Rosca	If you're seeing my clothes being all stretched out towards the sim corner, you need to update your client.
15:16	Tali Rosca	Charlie?
15:16	Meora (menchor) whispers	ooh fitted mesh
15:16	Meora (menchor)	!
15:16	Charlie Navarathna	yes I was wondering if you know what Philip Rosedale (creater and past CEO of second Life) is up to now?
15:17	Tali Rosca	(Indeed, I am wearing fitted mesh, largely as a test, and to showcase the glitch for those who do not run the latest client)
15:17	zsazsy	'client'? is 'client' another word for 'viewer'?
15:17	Larkylouz	Those hanging strings. Sooo annoying. . .
15:17	Tali Rosca	Is that a rhetorical question? It is fairly well known that Philip is doing a new virtual world project, "Hi Fidelity".
15:17	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Other than being a speaker at VWBPE, not aware of what Mr. Rosedale is up to now.
15:18	Tali Rosca	(And yes, client and viewer is the same)
15:18	Charlie Navarathna	building a new virtual world enabling rich avatar interactions driven by sensor-equipped hardware, simulated and served by devices (phones, tablets and laptops/desktops) contributed by end-users.
15:18	Charlie Navarathna	yes Tali
15:18	Charlie Navarathna	http://highfidelity.io/
15:18	Anna Darwinian	The new CEO is actually engaging with SL people on Twitter, as @ebbelinden
15:18	Charlie Navarathna	oh
15:18	Anna Darwinian	Ooops I mean as @ebbealtberg or whatever his last name is
15:19	Anna Darwinian	@ebbelinden is a prank account.
15:19	Charlie Navarathna	I believe he is hiring code writers and such too
15:19	Tali Rosca	Also, he is promising faster-than-electron speed communication in his new virtual world. Apparently, it comes with built-in quantum-entanglement, or he just *may* be over-promising things a bit.
15:19	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Seems to have an interest in SL.
15:19	Charlie Navarathna	smiles
15:20	Anna Darwinian	https://twitter.com/ebbealtberg
15:21	Wordsmith Jarvinen	New frontiers in virtuality.
15:22	Red Quixote	built-in quantum-entanglement?.. isn't that similar to infinite improbability drive?
15:22	Meora (menchor)	Ha ha ha hahahaaa
15:22	Anna Darwinian	Sounds good to me!
15:22	Gronk Seriman	Heh! It'
15:22	Steadman Kondor	eeks i'm not overly fond of entanglements of any sort, lol
15:22	Tali Rosca	Pretty much. But HiFi is promising less latency than it takes to send the signal across the ocean, so he must be doing something *really* brilliant.
15:22	Anna Darwinian	i have a question for some experienced people, but if it is not appropriate for this group I could ask it later
15:22	Charlie Navarathna	i think it is kind of a co-op building a coordination system enabling millions of people to contribute their devices and share them to simulate the virtual world.
15:22	Gronk Seriman	s probably made out of unobtanium.
15:23	Anna Darwinian	Or cavorite
15:23	Charlie Navarathna	ha
15:23	Meora (menchor)	lol
15:23	Charlie Navarathna	lol
15:23	Tali Rosca	Well, this is a pretty open forum, so you can try asking. Then we'll see who can answer.
15:24	Anna Darwinian	Well, I wanted to start a Caledon builders display on Oxbridge Village... I just got a great parcel there and put part of my old Steampunk Adventures Store on it
15:24	Anna Darwinian	That's not the question, smiles.
15:24	Anna Darwinian	I wanted advice on how to go about it
15:25	Anna Darwinian	I thought maybe a small display area for each person, with a landmark giver, and I want to start with just landmarks to stores actually in Caledon
15:25	Tali Rosca	As a sort of central directory?
15:25	Anna Darwinian	And I was remembering the wonderful Looters Emporium that Denver Hax had
15:25	Anna Darwinian	maybe some free stuff for new people, Caledon themed
15:26	Anna Darwinian	Yes, M Rosca, a directory but also stuff you could actually see
15:26	Tali Rosca	I hope you have a big parcel, for the LI :-)
15:26	Anna Darwinian	I loved the old Looters Emporium. Oh, you young folks should have seen it, smiles
15:26	Wordsmith Jarvinen	So, some things actually rezzed?
15:26	Anna Darwinian	I have about 1000 prims to spend on it
15:26	Anna Darwinian	yes
15:26	Red Quixote	you could use temp rezzers
15:26	Anna Darwinian	Aren't those illegal?
15:27	Red Quixote	lol
15:27	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Not if not abused.
15:27	Anna Darwinian	Or you mean, I could have a display that rezzes things?
15:27	Meora (menchor)	Red is being evil
15:27	Tali Rosca	Most frown on using temp rezzers for going above the parcel limit.
15:27	Anna Darwinian	Tickles Red with a feather for being naughty
15:27	Tali Rosca	But you could definitely use it to switch displays.
15:27	Red Quixote	simply a rezzer that rezzes an item as temp,. then it doesn't add to the li
15:28	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Or have "rez on demand" so people could see.
15:28	Anna Darwinian	I have seen stores that do a variant on that, something that should be ok
15:28	Red Quixote	aye
15:28	Anna Darwinian	yes, rez on demand, that is the word for it
15:28	Tali Rosca	Temp rez is a cheap version of rez-on-demand.
15:28	Tali Rosca	One advantage is that when temp-rezzed things expire, they simply vanish. They are not "deleted", which includes moving things to trash.
15:29	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Or one way to do it, without having to have the article "die" on timeout.
15:29	Anna Darwinian	Hmmm interesting
15:29	Anna Darwinian	Yes?
15:29	Tali Rosca	So you actually save some sim-to-asset-server communication by using temp.
15:29	Charlie Navarathna	(notices Meora's hand is up)
15:30	Tali Rosca	llDie also instantly disappears, IIRC.
15:30	Anna Darwinian	Thanks so much for your help, yields the floor to others
15:30	Red Quixote	np
15:30	Wordsmith Jarvinen	You can also use mesh for texture display.
15:30	Anna Darwinian	Yes, but the texture lag would not be reduced by that, would it?
15:31	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Making use that mesh can have up to 8 separate "faces".
15:31	Tali Rosca	Certainly not. The texture load could end up being the killer in such a display.
15:31	Anna Darwinian	OK well if anybody has a store in Caledon, please send me IM and a LM
15:32	Anna Darwinian	There will be no charge for displaying your items but there will be of course a limit on space
15:32	Anna Darwinian	Yay Dean Disco is back
15:33	Steadman Kondor	a wonderful initiative miss darwiniann
15:33	Charlie Navarathna	perhaps if it is permitted you could make a request for LMs in group chat
15:33	Tali Rosca	ISC would certainly be a good place to advertise it and call for submissions.
15:33	Anna Darwinian	Smiles and hugs Mr Steadman, who has created so many good things for Caledon in the past.
15:33	Anna Darwinian	I am working on an intelligent'sounding notecard, not ready with it yet tho
15:34	Tali Rosca	I'll recommend Kondor and Darwinian putting their heads together to see if Oxbridge could play some role.
15:35	Tali Rosca	At he very least, having a display.
15:35	Anna Darwinian	Yes, I would love to have a display about Oxbridge
15:35	Anna Darwinian	AV Parabola wants one about Primtionary, so I am not too fixated on "stores", more on great things in Caledon.
15:37	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Another question?
15:37	Anna Darwinian	But enough about me, was it Meora who had a question also?
15:37	Tali Rosca	Do keep us posted at future QAs. Part of the topics for those are, after all, keeping the ear to the ground in Caledon.
15:37	Meora (menchor)	no
15:37	Meora (menchor)	animation glitch
15:37	Meora (menchor)	although
15:38	Meora (menchor)	anyone know anything about the airships?
15:38	Anna Darwinian	Airships?
15:38	Wordsmith Jarvinen	RL has its wardrobe glitches, SL its animation glitches.
15:38	Tali Rosca	That is a fairly wide topic.
15:38	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Caledon Air Transport.
15:38	Tali Rosca	Scripting? Buying? Flying?
15:39	Meora (menchor)	they haven't been flying
15:39	Wordsmith Jarvinen	I think it's about having them running their routes again.
15:39	Tali Rosca	Ah, *the* airships. Sorry, I was being slow there.
15:39	Tali Rosca	I'll point out, though, that there are also sub CATs.
15:40	Tali Rosca	I haven't heard any further. Anybody know anything?
15:40	Wordsmith Jarvinen	I think most felines would consider themselves Supra rather than "sub".
15:41	Tali Rosca	...come to think of it, I haven't sen Jorge around much, though it may be a matter of time zones.
15:41	Larkylouz	Well, either that , or subversive, Dean Jarvinen.
15:41	Tali Rosca	So, next person to see Jorge tackles him and asks about the CATs.
15:42	Tali Rosca	And then report back next week.
15:42	Steadman Kondor	wasn't mr serapis just hear on Friday?
15:42	Steadman Kondor	*here
15:42	Red Quixote	last I heard, it was going to be another month to restore partial service
15:43	Wordsmith Jarvinen	I know that there had to be route changes ... not sure if it extended beyond that to other script changes.
15:44	Tali Rosca	It may also be difficult to trace a route.
15:44	Anna Darwinian	Oh dear, is something wrong with the wonderful CAT flyers? They are such a fine feature of Caledon, and so very handsome.
15:45	Wordsmith Jarvinen	The routes can be tricky --- you can't assume ability to go over any parcel, since your random parcel my be at its LI limit.
15:45	Tali Rosca	The reshuffling of sims broke their existing route.
15:46		Tali Rosca nods. "The CATs attempt to go over public land as much as possible."
15:46	Tali Rosca	(Commonwealth)
15:47	Tali Rosca	Going over private parcels can be dicey.
15:48	Tali Rosca	Other questions?
15:49	Charlie Navarathna	is the The Iron Cloud still open? aviation facility i Caledon and the Steamlands! One of the eight wonders of Caledon, this floating airfield complex is open to the all member of the public?
15:50	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Martini and I were chatting yesterday with Vulpine Eldrich. What may come of that is a few seminars on "old times" in SL.
15:50	Tali Rosca	It is certainly operational. It hovers over Middlesea.
15:50	Charlie Navarathna	ahh
15:50	Red Quixote	aircraft are welcome to land there
15:51	Tali Rosca	Oh? What constitutes "old times"?
15:51	Larkylouz	There is currently a photography exhibit in the Drylands, of past sims. I've not seen it yet.
15:51		Tali Rosca looks for last names in the crowd.
15:52	Steadman Kondor	we're a dying species...
15:52	Charlie Navarathna	:)
15:52	Wordsmith Jarvinen	She was talking about people who had seen system hair, etc.
15:52	Steadman Kondor	god forbid! :) i thought i burned all of my shots with system hair
15:52	Wordsmith Jarvinen	But I think it's a matter of interest.
15:52	Tali Rosca	The horror!
15:52	Anna Darwinian	Smiles remembering my early effort to make hair using system hair.
15:53	Steadman Kondor	fun moments with the slider growing/culling/growing hair
15:53	Tali Rosca	Next you will be talking about sequined codpieces.
15:53	Anna Darwinian	The first time I ever found an appearance I liked even a little was that pink Victorian avatar you can get free here in Caledon Oxbridge
15:54	Tali Rosca	I wonder, though, if there is actually an interest in such "old times", or if it is just oldbies waxing nostalgic and chattering over tea.
15:54	Steadman Kondor	however there has been wonderful cities lost in the annals
15:55	Anna Darwinian	Blushes, I do suspect Ms Rosca is correct that it is the latter.
15:55	Wordsmith Jarvinen	There have indeed been such loses.
15:55		Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) is sure that oldtimers will kick him out of such celebrations.
15:55	Tali Rosca	"Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
15:55	Steadman Kondor	is seraph city one of them now?
15:55	Anna Darwinian	Waves and dives back into real life, where I am eagerly sought for my kitchen skills
15:56	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Journey well.
15:56	Steadman Kondor	Prim Perfect magazine probably has a good record of cities lost too
15:57	Wordsmith Jarvinen	I rue the loss of the libraries at Al Andalus.
15:57	Tali Rosca	Any last topic?
15:57		Steadman Kondor nods
15:58	Tali Rosca	Then let us call it adjourned.
15:58	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Thank you all for coming.
15:58	Charlie Navarathna	Thank you Deans!
15:59	Meora (menchor)	thank you Deans
15:59	Larkylouz	Thank you, Deans, everyone.
15:59	Gronk Seriman	Thank you, Deans!