| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Four deans for the virtual folk in their hall of glass and stone..... |
| 15:01 |
Meora (menchor) |
Ha ha ha hahahaaa |
| 15:01 |
Tali Rosca |
Onion ring to rule them all? |
| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
heh |
| 15:01 |
Mando88 (mandoman2) |
lol |
| 15:01 |
Tali Rosca |
Welcome to this week's installment of QA with the Deans, where the deans of Oxbridge will answer questions about Caledon and SL in general. We each have our area of expertise, as you can see here: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php |
| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So, you see what the result of not asking questions will be? |
| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
I was about to say, Oh gods, it has started already. |
| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
Anyway, notice that we have Steadman Kondor as the Dean of Development now, though he may not always be able to join us here at the QA, due to time zone differences. |
| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
This is a pretty "free-for-all" QA session, where we talk about topics as they come up, so who has the first question? |
| 15:04 |
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Wordsmith Jarvinen Looks for his cane and straw hat...... |
| 15:04 |
Red Quixote |
why is there an expiry date on sour cream? |
| 15:04 |
Martini Discovolante |
cause when it molds it is cheese |
| 15:04 |
Martini Discovolante |
price goes up per pound |
| 15:04 |
Red Quixote |
so,. shouldn't it have a 'cheese' date instead? |
| 15:05 |
Martini Discovolante |
next? |
| 15:05 |
Red Quixote |
:P |
| 15:05 |
Martini Discovolante |
:3 |
| 15:05 |
Mariano Fernandez (marianoryu) |
I was wondering if there could be a Trivia session again. |
| 15:05 |
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Mariano Fernandez (marianoryu) thought of something relevant he could ask! |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
The trivia game comes up now and then, but the question is whether somebody wants to host it. |
| 15:06 |
Mariano Fernandez (marianoryu) |
... And that is the most complicated part of all isn't it? :P |
| 15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
Indeed. |
| 15:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That was one of the specialties Carl had, including the setup. |
| 15:07 |
Mariano Fernandez (marianoryu) |
I remember those days and know that Mr. Metropolitan is too busy now. Or at least he was at the time. |
| 15:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hopefully, if RL relents on him at some point, we might prevail upon him again. |
| 15:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
usually there is scripty business involved. |
| 15:07 |
Tali Rosca |
If somebody wants to host and come up with questions, I could do the script. |
| 15:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
and questions ot vet and collect, disputes to mediate. |
| 15:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
beer to buy. |
| 15:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
work!work!work! |
| 15:08 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
btw, last week a question came up about the Steamlands Talent Show. Question was, if there are any news in organizing this event. I've forwarded that question to the organizers, now we have to wait an answer. |
| 15:08 |
Mariano Fernandez (marianoryu) |
Can I ask what that is? |
| 15:08 |
Tali Rosca |
Yes |
| 15:08 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
:-) |
| 15:08 |
Mariano Fernandez (marianoryu) |
... |
| 15:09 |
Mariano Fernandez (marianoryu) |
... What is the Steamlands Talent Show? |
| 15:09 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
well, some residents of Caledon had the idea, to host an event to support Oxbridge. there might have been a Talent Show in the past, before my time |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
I feel we're edging towards Jeopardy here. |
| 15:09 |
Martini Discovolante |
there was one for RFL. |
| 15:09 |
Martini Discovolante |
a few years ago. |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
I heard good about it, but I don't know many specifics. |
| 15:09 |
Martini Discovolante |
but i have not heard anythogn further on a new one. |
| 15:10 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
there was at least one meeting in January from the organizers, and they had many ideas and motivation. |
| 15:10 |
Martini Discovolante |
i was in the old one, so was Dean Questi :) |
| 15:10 |
Martini Discovolante |
do you remember who was the organiser of this one, Ravelli? |
| 15:10 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It is also the season that RFL activities are starting. So there will be fund-raising dances and activities for that. |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
I think the general idea is pretty much what the title suggests; to show off various skills and talents. |
| 15:11 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
yes *nods* |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
But I don't know which categories have been considered. |
| 15:11 |
Martini Discovolante |
ach.. search turns up Anna Darwinian. |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
What was the categories of the old one? |
| 15:12 |
Martini Discovolante |
there were no categories. |
| 15:12 |
Martini Discovolante |
people simply got up and did their specialty |
| 15:12 |
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Mariano Fernandez (marianoryu) wonders if superhero impersonation counts as "acting" |
| 15:12 |
Tali Rosca |
Realtime? Or did it include showing off builds, for example? |
| 15:12 |
Martini Discovolante |
i was in a ballet, soem saang, Dean Q played flamenco-- live. |
| 15:13 |
Martini Discovolante |
they have one in Raglan too.. it is quite fun. |
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| 15:13 |
Martini Discovolante |
no it was all performance. |
| 15:13 |
Martini Discovolante |
like a real talent show. |
| 15:13 |
Tali Rosca |
-Though I guess some scripted performance/show would qualify? |
| 15:14 |
Martini Discovolante |
yes. Danger Cat in Raglan has a fully scripted perfprmance. |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
Like a laser/light/fireworks show. |
| 15:14 |
Martini Discovolante |
and we had a ballet animations ... but i made the sets and costumes to be exactly like the first performance of "the Rite of Spring" |
| 15:14 |
Mariano Fernandez (marianoryu) |
I'll be going to dinner now. I'll return later if possible! |
| 15:15 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
well, let's see how they will proceed organizing it. i guess we will have some news next sunday |
| 15:15 |
Martini Discovolante |
bye Mr Ryu |
| 15:15 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
ok, you are excused :-) |
| 15:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
kk tc Mr. Ryu. |
| 15:15 |
Tali Rosca |
I think that about covers what we know (and then some), so other questions? |
| 15:15 |
Martini Discovolante |
so it involves sometiems recorded performance that is mimed to match inworld. |
| 15:16 |
Tali Rosca |
-Looking forward to hear more, in any case. |
| 15:18 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
BTW, Carl is still involved enough that he is putting together an Oxbridge display for VWBPE in April. |
| 15:18 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
http://vwbpe.org/ |
| 15:18 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
good to hear |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
...and for those who do not know, that is Virtual Worlds Best Practices in Education. |
| 15:18 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
Virtual Worlds Best Practices in Education, April 9-12, 2014 |
| 15:19 |
Larkylouz |
Carl has been around some. Lst night he was working on these new benches. |
| 15:20 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
yes, he came to unlink the old ones from the building |
| 15:20 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Your new ones are mesh, Ravelli? |
| 15:21 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
yes |
| 15:21 |
Larkylouz |
His RL activities may include FB. He told me he was 'unliking' the benches, and I was quite puzzled. . . |
| 15:21 |
Tali Rosca |
Which, apropos, how far is the general meshification? |
| 15:21 |
Red Quixote |
a typo |
| 15:21 |
Larkylouz |
Yes, I"m just doing my best to cause trouble. |
| 15:21 |
Larkylouz |
;^p |
| 15:22 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
They have much better LOD (level of detail) behavior than the old benches. |
| 15:22 |
Mando88 (mandoman2) |
they look better |
| 15:22 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Do they still only seat one per bench? |
| 15:22 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
i would like to replace the college buildings with the mesh version, as soon as possible. would need Martini's help to move and return other objects |
| 15:23 |
Larkylouz |
They're going to take some learning as far as the animations and positions go. |
| 15:23 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
there are 3 seats per bench |
| 15:23 |
Martini Discovolante |
i will remove the list you gave metonight. |
| 15:24 |
Meora (menchor) |
welcome to my bench |
| 15:24 |
Larkylouz |
Hi Meora! |
| 15:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Quite reasonable and quite an improvement in seating then. |
| 15:24 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
main reason to replace the old ones was, their shape collapsed from distance |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
There was only so much you could do with sculpts. |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
Anyway, other questions? |
| 15:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Far less control of specifics (also far less to know and set) |
| 15:26 |
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Gronk Seriman raises a hand |
| 15:26 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Looking at Inara Pey's blog, looks like Jira's will be opened to public viewing again. |
| 15:26 |
Tali Rosca |
Yes? |
| 15:27 |
Gronk Seriman |
Is there any way to include a notecard in a saved outfit in your Appearance folder? |
| 15:28 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Well, you could wear an object with the notecard inside it. |
| 15:28 |
Martini Discovolante |
put in in an invisible prim and WEAR it? |
| 15:28 |
Gronk Seriman |
I have outfits and items that have notecards to remind you of features and commands. |
| 15:28 |
Martini Discovolante |
or in a bit of jewelery. |
| 15:28 |
Gronk Seriman |
Ah! A great idea! |
| 15:28 |
Tali Rosca |
I don't think so. The outfits folder has a bit of a special status. |
| 15:28 |
Larkylouz |
Can you cut and paste the notecard to the folder? |
| 15:29 |
Martini Discovolante |
no-- outfit folders are actually just links to the originals. |
| 15:29 |
Larkylouz |
I heard someone talking about taking pictures of outfits and putting them on Pinterest. . . |
| 15:29 |
Gronk Seriman |
I don't think so. Larky. |
| 15:29 |
Meora (menchor) |
or paste a reference to the nc?' |
| 15:29 |
Tali Rosca |
On some levels, it is just a normal inventory folder, but treating it as such risks breaking the special functionality. |
| 15:30 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Since wearing an outfit would imply wearing a notecard ...... |
| 15:30 |
Tali Rosca |
I seem to recall some problems when a viewer allowed moving it around, for example. |
| 15:30 |
Martini Discovolante |
if you Wear an item with the notecard in it, as part of the outfit, it will be right there handy to read, no hunting for it. |
| 15:30 |
Tali Rosca |
So I don't think it would take too kindly to mashing a notecard into it, even if you found a way to do it. |
| 15:30 |
Meora (menchor) |
it won't paste a notecard link |
| 15:31 |
Martini Discovolante |
just right click on the item , edit, adn open the notecard forom teh CONTENTS tab. |
| 15:31 |
Tali Rosca |
But it would definitely be handy to have, say, an image slot and some keywords for outfits. |
| 15:31 |
Martini Discovolante |
from* |
| 15:32 |
Tali Rosca |
But in lieu of that, yeah, I think inventing your own convention for where you put the notecard is your best bet. |
| 15:33 |
Larkylouz |
you could even attach a prim called 'notecard' to remind yourself |
| 15:33 |
Red Quixote |
why not simply create a folder for the outfit in your 'clothing folder',.. bypass the outfit folder altogether? |
| 15:34 |
Gronk Seriman |
That's old school! |
| 15:34 |
Larkylouz |
Hmm - that could cut down on inventory! |
| 15:34 |
Red Quixote |
exactly,.. and it works |
| 15:34 |
Tali Rosca |
Notably the "Save New Outfit" stores what you're already wearing in that folder. |
| 15:35 |
Meora (menchor) |
but you have to make copies of everything |
| 15:35 |
Larkylouz |
"i walked 5 miles to school in the snow. Uphill both ways. Them were the good old days." |
| 15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
You can mimic he effect by dragging around links, but it's cumbersome. |
| 15:35 |
Red Quixote |
can't please them all :/ |
| 15:35 |
Martini Discovolante |
and NO COPY items can be problematic, if you wear them with lots of things. |
| 15:35 |
Larkylouz |
Meora, not if it is one of those items where you only have one use for it. Only one outfit. |
| 15:35 |
Red Quixote |
compensate |
| 15:36 |
Gronk Seriman |
It is a valid suggestion, Red. Especially for odd outfits I'm not mixing and matching items from. |
| 15:36 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
i still use that old way too, never used the Outfits folder |
| 15:36 |
Red Quixote |
personally,.. I abhor the outfit folder,.. and avoid it's use |
| 15:36 |
Felix Yven |
Same here |
| 15:36 |
Martini Discovolante |
people who made NO COPY trousers were shot at sunrise. |
| 15:36 |
Tali Rosca |
Remember, you can create links in your normal inventory too. |
| 15:36 |
Martini Discovolante |
oh i love OUTFITS. a thousand times easier |
| 15:37 |
Red Quixote |
for no-copy items,. yes |
| 15:37 |
Meora (menchor) |
and easy to update |
| 15:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I'm not sure what happens if you wear the folder and it has something unwearable in it. Weather you wear following objects or the loading just stops --- and no guarantees of future behavior. |
| 15:37 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
well, male avatars might not to have so many clothing as female ones :-) |
| 15:37 |
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Felix Yven is not good with updating, uses Firestorm just because it has a Viewer 1 style UI |
| 15:38 |
Red Quixote |
you'd like singularity then too Felix |
| 15:38 |
Tali Rosca |
You can wear folders with non-wearables. They will just be ignored. |
| 15:38 |
Larkylouz |
I often wear entire folders that also have a notecard or a LM in them. Seems fine. |
| 15:38 |
Meora (menchor) |
a broken link just gets ignored |
| 15:39 |
Gronk Seriman |
I hate when I forget and wear the included box and pose stand, too. |
| 15:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Good. At least it doesn't leave you half-dressed. |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
Possibly, it does, but that depends on your outfit style :-P |
| 15:39 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
"Wear your entire Clothing folder, take a snapshot from yourself and send it to us." |
| 15:39 |
Meora (menchor) |
Ha ha ha hahahaaa |
| 15:40 |
Felix Yven |
I personally have a lot of avatars I switch through so my outfits are saved in a folder I created that is divided into folders for each avatar, keeps the outfits seperated |
| 15:40 |
Tali Rosca |
Actually the "wear your entire inventory" is a known glitch. |
| 15:40 |
Martini Discovolante |
her eis when it happened to me! |
| 15:40 |
Felix Yven |
With multiple size options I add a subfolder called common which I wear |
| 15:40 |
Martini Discovolante |
nice, eh?! |
| 15:41 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
that looks great! |
| 15:41 |
Martini Discovolante |
i have never seen anything sadder! |
| 15:41 |
Tali Rosca |
I have a fairly horrible shot of myself when that happened. |
| 15:41 |
Meora (menchor) |
the style is unique |
| 15:42 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
would be an idea for a quiz |
| 15:42 |
Tali Rosca |
Other questions? |
| 15:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Recalls an incident in books about a hirsuite clay-worker in which a cat hair was substituted for a human hair....... |
| 15:45 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Another fix with rigged mesh that LL is supposed to be working on --- changing the uploader so it won't upload clothing with unrecognized bone names. |
| 15:45 |
Meora (menchor) |
I just got a demo of some rigged deformable mesh |
| 15:46 |
Tali Rosca |
Somewhat esoteric, but yes, there have apparently been some instances of people uploading glitchy fitted mesh. |
| 15:46 |
Tali Rosca |
The whole mesh deformation project has been a bit of a moving target for a long while. |
| 15:47 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Well ... yes. ;) |
| 15:47 |
Red Quixote |
all materials and items uploaded up til the official release of fitted mesh and accompanying viewers,.. while not being 'broken'.. will not have been uploaded correctly,.. |
| 15:47 |
Tali Rosca |
And LL did Fitted Mesh out of the blue, so I am not surprised that we'll have to shake out the errors now. |
| 15:47 |
Red Quixote |
LL is providing skeletons pre-rigged with the new deforemer bones,.. |
| 15:48 |
Larkylouz |
Will our avatars need to change, or just the clothing? |
| 15:48 |
Tali Rosca |
Though, as far as I have heard, not something which actually matches the current avatar, nor in any commonly usable formats. |
| 15:49 |
Tali Rosca |
People are not impressed with the provided rig examples. |
| 15:49 |
Tali Rosca |
If you're working in Blender, Gaia's free "workbench" file is probably your best bet. |
| 15:49 |
Red Quixote |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTMimYMpBS8&list=PLF20CE4FDA42D8FAD&feature=share |
| 15:50 |
Red Quixote |
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Rigging_Fitted_Mesh |
| 15:50 |
Red Quixote |
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Project_FittedMesh/3.6.11.283899 |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
http://blog.machinimatrix.org/fitted_mesh_survival_kit/ |
| 15:51 |
Red Quixote |
has Gaia incorporated the new deformer bones? |
| 15:51 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
have not heard about it |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
Yes, though there are issues with Blender itself. |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
Check the "Survival Kit" link. |
| 15:51 |
Red Quixote |
interesting |
| 15:52 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
in the upcoming Blender version there might be a fix, eventually. a beta version is available already |
| 15:53 |
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Tali Rosca nods. "The fix is in the nightly builds. So it is on the way." |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Good to know. |
| 15:53 |
Tali Rosca |
But it seems the Fitted Mesh has, in general, been a bit of a headscratcher. |
| 15:54 |
Tali Rosca |
With lots of quirky issues which creators will have to learn and work around. |
| 15:54 |
Red Quixote |
aye,. true enough |
| 15:55 |
Tali Rosca |
It is worth noting, though, that it is in fact pretty complicated technology, so it is not surprising that it will not just work automagically in all cases. |
| 15:56 |
Tali Rosca |
I'll hijack the last minutes to bring up a point Wordsmith mentioned earlier: |
| 15:56 |
Red Quixote |
you can't get away from weight painting on a custom mesh rig |
| 15:56 |
Tali Rosca |
What is probably the "LL news of the week". |
| 15:56 |
Tali Rosca |
The Jira is being re-opened. |
| 15:57 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
another good news on this new year |
| 15:57 |
Tali Rosca |
With a couple of tweaks to the policy. |
| 15:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
A move to greater transparency... |
| 15:58 |
Tali Rosca |
Notably, as I understand it, comments will not be open once a bug has been triaged and imported. |
| 15:58 |
Tali Rosca |
(To prevent that an issue turns into a general discussion forum). |
| 15:59 |
Tali Rosca |
But people will be able to search and see reports, and the reporter, along with a designated team, can still comment. |
| 16:00 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
one dean just crashed, and another one can't stop typing it seems... |
| 16:00 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
oh, but now |
| 16:00 |
Tali Rosca |
And the hours is up. |
| 16:00 |
Tali Rosca |
So it seems to be the time to call it adjourned. |
| 16:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you all for attending. |
| 16:00 |
Gronk Seriman |
Thank you, Deans! |
| 16:00 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
yes, many thanks for coming again! |
| 16:00 |
Meora (menchor) |
thank you |
| 16:00 |
Larkylouz |
Thank you for all the work you do here, Deans. |
| 16:00 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Bedtime for me. |
| 16:00 |
Felix Yven |
Thank you |
| 16:01 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
good night Elf |
| 16:01 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Be seeing you |
| 16:01 |
Red Quixote |
g'nite elf |
| 16:01 |
Mando88 (mandoman2) |
Thanks deans! |