| 15:01 |
Tali Rosca |
So, welcome to this week's QA with the deans; a recurring event where we desperately try to avoid having to do standup comedy. |
| 15:01 |
Red Quixote |
ã‹¡ |
| 15:01 |
Tali Rosca |
Regulars will notice an detail on stage tonight. |
| 15:01 |
MikeVa Waco |
rofl |
| 15:01 |
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Larkylouz thinks that so long as you're funny, she doesn't mind if you sit. |
| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
Steadman Kondor is joining us, as the new Dean of Development, taking over from Carl. |
| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
He is with us on a text client now, so I hope it holds up. |
| 15:02 |
Steadman Kondor |
/me nods and grins. "So far so good!" |
| 15:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) |
| 15:02 |
Mentadent |
What's Carl doing? |
| 15:03 |
Larkylouz |
I ran into him the other night. He's busy with RL stuff. |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
First life, primarily. |
| 15:03 |
MikeVa Waco |
wow! another new dean.. and this one doesn't have an "i" at the end of his name... |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
You can see the roles here: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php |
| 15:03 |
Red Quixote |
lol Mike |
| 15:03 |
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Ravelli Ormstein smile at the i |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
Though I can see that the list has not been updated to include Steadman yet. |
| 15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
But in any case, welcome on board. |
| 15:04 |
Red Quixote |
Wordsmith also does not end in an 'i' ,, I should point out |
| 15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
He is still all new in the role, so go easy on him :-) |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
But we thought it appropriate to have him with us at this QA. |
| 15:05 |
MikeVa Waco |
yes.. I think he slipped under the radar too |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
Feel free to call him Wordsmi, though. |
| 15:05 |
Steadman Kondor |
Thanks for the welcome :) I'm working through the faculty reading material and preparing to get into planning for sponsorship activities |
| 15:05 |
MikeVa Waco |
rofl |
| 15:05 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
or Wordi? :-) |
| 15:06 |
Steadman Kondor |
Steadi for me then? |
| 15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
That sounds like a Finnish metal band. |
| 15:06 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) |
| 15:06 |
Red Quixote |
I like it,.. that works |
| 15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
Anyway! This is where you need to desperately ask relevant questions. |
| 15:06 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Well, actually that was a monster rock band... :-) |
| 15:07 |
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Gronk Seriman raises a hand |
| 15:07 |
Tali Rosca |
Yes? |
| 15:07 |
Gronk Seriman |
I noticed something odd this evening. The translator giver globe, which used to be out front, is now on the roof of this building. I was wondering if there was a reason. |
| 15:07 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
ah, yes |
| 15:07 |
Steadman Kondor |
it must have flown out of orbit... |
| 15:07 |
Gronk Seriman |
Ha! |
| 15:08 |
Red Quixote |
it stopped working some time ago |
| 15:08 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
i made that, because the object is made of two parts: one owned by Dean Discovolante, the other one by me. Have to find with her to work on it or delete it... |
| 15:08 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Creator of the translator does not support it any more. Among other things. |
| 15:08 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
*Have to find TIME, sorry, can't type today |
| 15:09 |
Larkylouz |
I do use the translator every day. So far as I know, it still works fine. |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
So it was shuffled a bit out of the way until we're sure it works? |
| 15:09 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
indeed, Tali |
| 15:09 |
Larkylouz |
All worldly types to the roof! |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
I've heard some mixed messages about it. |
| 15:09 |
Red Quixote |
the globe itself is malfunctioning,. not the translator |
| 15:10 |
Larkylouz |
It's better with some languages than others. |
| 15:10 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
the included translator may not be spread anymore, we need to find a new translator |
| 15:10 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
the globe is just disabled |
| 15:11 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
i thought it would be hidden enough there... |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
...he said, after people have been doing cam-fu in all the sims. |
| 15:11 |
Gronk Seriman |
That's too bad. I knew the translator creator had discontinued support, and Google could flip a switch and kill it at any time. |
| 15:12 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
the creator got mad by all the support requests he still receives, so he don't want that it get's spread anymore |
| 15:12 |
Larkylouz |
I wish we could find a translator that also works in IM! |
| 15:13 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
that would be a .. challenge... |
| 15:13 |
Mentadent |
That exists in fact ... |
| 15:13 |
Steadman Kondor |
i'm surprised no one's invented that yet? |
| 15:13 |
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Larkylouz's ears perk up! |
| 15:13 |
Mentadent |
it's something unusual - it's called a .... "brain" |
| 15:13 |
Beccha |
:-) |
| 15:13 |
Tali Rosca |
In fact, it *does* exist. |
| 15:13 |
Mentadent |
;o) |
| 15:13 |
Josain Zsun |
No one wants to, if it ends up belonging to LL |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
The client has a built-in translation feature. |
| 15:14 |
Larkylouz |
Well, Mentadent, I do cut and paste from the web translator, but that is timeconsuming. |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
But you need to enter your own translation API key for either Bing or Google. |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
And it works with IM too, if I recall correctly. |
| 15:15 |
Larkylouz |
I shall ask you for details after the Q&A, Tali. If I can't Google it. |
| 15:15 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
if i remember right, Bing or Google want money for that service |
| 15:15 |
Tali Rosca |
Edit/Preferences/Chat |
| 15:15 |
Tali Rosca |
And then "Translation..." |
| 15:15 |
Tali Rosca |
Yes, that hooks into their paid service. |
| 15:15 |
Larkylouz |
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewerhelp:Translation_Settings |
| 15:16 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
but might be worth if one needs translations regularly |
| 15:17 |
Larkylouz |
I'll look into it and see. |
| 15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
Any other question? |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
Well, while people think up things, I'll mention, if you haven't noticed, that the Rose Hunt is ongoing currently. |
| 15:19 |
Tali Rosca |
I think there are still a few roses hidden for this, the Euro part of the event. |
| 15:19 |
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Larkylouz raises her hand |
| 15:19 |
Tali Rosca |
A new batch will be rezzed later today, for the US hunt. |
| 15:19 |
Tali Rosca |
Yes? |
| 15:19 |
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Ravelli Ormstein points at three roses in-front of Dean Rosca's feet |
| 15:19 |
Larkylouz |
We talked about the Steamlands talent show a while back, but I've not heard any more about it. Is it still ongoing? |
| 15:19 |
Larkylouz |
or in planning, I mean |
| 15:20 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
i have to admit, i have not heard anything about too |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
I have not heard any further either. |
| 15:20 |
Larkylouz |
thank you |
| 15:20 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
so i will ask them and hopefully can tell you next week |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
So we'll have to bounce that question into the audience. |
| 15:21 |
Kalonia (discotraxx) |
what happens? we find the roses and keep them? |
| 15:21 |
Tali Rosca |
Incidentally, we may want to sic our Dean of Development on such events :-) |
| 15:21 |
Kalonia (discotraxx) |
or we're supposed to collect a set of them or something |
| 15:22 |
Tali Rosca |
And as for the roses, yes, they are simply trophies. |
| 15:22 |
Tali Rosca |
Many make a point of trying to have one from each such even. |
| 15:22 |
Steadman Kondor |
i remember the first talent show well, it was fantastic |
| 15:22 |
Josain Zsun |
Do we trade them for mushrooms or vice versa? |
| 15:22 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) |
| 15:23 |
Tali Rosca |
They represent Caledon's history, with various flowers often being prizes at various events. |
| 15:23 |
Kalonia (discotraxx) |
ty |
| 15:23 |
Kalonia (discotraxx) |
and what's the difference between euro and us event? Only Europeans are supposed to collect these ones? |
| 15:23 |
Tali Rosca |
The time, really. |
| 15:23 |
MikeVa Waco |
I still have a Tanglewood rose from a year or two ago |
| 15:24 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
just to give everyone the opportunity to participate as a hunter :-) |
| 15:24 |
Tali Rosca |
If you're a nigh-owl European, feel free to steal them away under the Americans' noses :-) |
| 15:24 |
Tali Rosca |
-I am fairly sure we had mid-day Americans in the one npw. |
| 15:24 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
blooming roses in February, while there is still snow on the grass... thats only possibly in Caledon |
| 15:25 |
Beccha |
or in your livingroom |
| 15:26 |
Tali Rosca |
Other questions? |
| 15:26 |
MikeVa Waco |
I have a perm question please? |
| 15:26 |
Gronk Seriman |
At least the pavement doesn't have vehicle damaging potholes. |
| 15:26 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
ok |
| 15:26 |
Tali Rosca |
Those are not allowed. |
| 15:26 |
MikeVa Waco |
I've had objects that, when in inventory, appeared to be full perms but once rezzed, they would lose some of their perms and become maybe no copy or no mod for example? why do it do dat and is there a way to get around it? |
| 15:27 |
Tali Rosca |
"Slamming". When you change permissions on an object in inventory, the change is not applied, but is queued up to happen once the object is rezzed. |
| 15:28 |
Tali Rosca |
Always do your permission settings on objects rezzed inworld; not in inventory. |
| 15:28 |
MikeVa Waco |
well that sucks.. can you change it in inventory again and cause it to act right? |
| 15:29 |
MikeVa Waco |
but once rezzed, you've lost your perm |
| 15:29 |
Tali Rosca |
I would think so. To be honest, I haven't experimented with it for a long while. I seem to recall that LL did some updates to the system to make it a *little* less surprising. |
| 15:29 |
MikeVa Waco |
ahhh |
| 15:30 |
MikeVa Waco |
Thank you Dean Tali :-o) |
| 15:30 |
Tali Rosca |
This is an old article: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Debug_Permissions |
| 15:30 |
Tali Rosca |
The UI has changed a bit since, and, as I said, I *think* they did some further updates to it, but I honestly can't remember. |
| 15:30 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
i had such a problem only once, when i bought a gift. i rezzed it once, but then it lost to perm to transfer it |
| 15:30 |
MikeVa Waco |
ok I'll look it up when we're done |
| 15:31 |
Tali Rosca |
The jargon keyword is "slamming" permissions, or "slam bit". |
| 15:31 |
MikeVa Waco |
ok |
| 15:32 |
Tali Rosca |
Other things? |
| 15:32 |
BackUpPlan |
sorry I'm late, sorry for the interception ??? |
| 15:32 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
Greetings Mr Plan |
| 15:32 |
Tali Rosca |
No problem. This is a fairly informal session. |
| 15:34 |
Tali Rosca |
So perhaps it is time for what has almost become the traditional "state of SL". |
| 15:34 |
Tali Rosca |
If you follow any SL blogs, you may have heard about some fairly severe changes to LL this week. |
| 15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
Dio, Vesu and Creatorverse were axed. |
| 15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
-And some of you may not even be aware that they existed in the first place. |
| 15:36 |
Zan Lubitsch |
I must admit I didn't know about them. |
| 15:36 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
that were the first good news about LL/SL since a long time, at least from my point of view |
| 15:36 |
Tali Rosca |
Second Life is not Linden Lab's only product, though it is the most prominent. |
| 15:37 |
Tali Rosca |
Dio, Versu and Creatorverse were other products/experiments. |
| 15:37 |
Larkylouz |
Those were other LL projects? |
| 15:37 |
Meora (menchor) |
yep |
| 15:37 |
Zan Lubitsch |
OK. |
| 15:37 |
Tali Rosca |
Linden Lab ditched those, essentially to focus on 3D worlds, now holding Second Life, Desura, Blocksworld and Patterns. |
| 15:39 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
Hello Chancellor |
| 15:39 |
Martini Discovolante |
please pardon my tardiness. |
| 15:39 |
Zan Lubitsch |
I always wonder if it's worth to try and create other virtual worlds than SL. I mean, are there enough potentially interested users out there to create other large communities?... |
| 15:40 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
yes, there are enough, but there are many many virtual worlds out there, so users get more and more spread over them. |
| 15:40 |
MikeVa Waco |
Greetings Deani Martini (theres that "i" again) |
| 15:40 |
Tali Rosca |
That is a good question. There is a feeling that there is a large potential, if somebody just managed to hit it *just right*. But the history is littered with the wrecks of attempts. |
| 15:40 |
Zan Lubitsch |
I can understand many people want out of LL's domination... but from what I've seen with Avination for example: the idea wasn't bad at all, but face the facts: it's almost empty! |
| 15:41 |
Tali Rosca |
Lively, Blue Mars and Cloud Party were major contenders. And you could argue that Glitch was in the genre too. |
| 15:41 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
if you like to get statistics about existing virtual world, economy behind it and their users, order some free pdf files at www.kzero.co.uk |
| 15:42 |
Zan Lubitsch |
Wouldn't it be more productive in concentrating all these energies to improve what we already have instead of trying to rebuild a new world from scratch each time?... |
| 15:42 |
Tali Rosca |
On the other hand, Philip Rosedale's new "Hi Fi" is getting a lot of buzz, and many games include a lot of user created content, which become more and more advanced. |
| 15:43 |
Josain Zsun |
Many educators have done just that. Jokadia and Reaction Grid are prime examples. |
| 15:43 |
Steadman Kondor |
competition also promotes advancement of features, i suppose. things would become stagnant if Sl didnt have some competition |
| 15:43 |
Zan Lubitsch |
True. |
| 15:43 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
there are ideas like that, but more into standardizing Virtual Worlds, so you would be able to buy content in one virtual world, and use in any other, and use the same avatar in all virtual worlds |
| 15:44 |
Zan Lubitsch |
But we already have competition as far as viewers are concerned, don't we? |
| 15:44 |
Tali Rosca |
Well, there are old visions like VRML, to create standards for virtual worlds. But they have generally not gotten all that far. |
| 15:44 |
Tali Rosca |
And some years back, LL was involved with doing some cross-grid teleportation to open sims. |
| 15:45 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
the IEEE is preparing an international Umbrella Standard for Virtual Worlds |
| 15:45 |
Tali Rosca |
I have a feeling, though, that just what people want out of "VR" differs so widely that standards may not make all that much sense. |
| 15:46 |
Tali Rosca |
And they could easily be outdated before they even get through the standards work. |
| 15:47 |
Zan Lubitsch |
*nods* |
| 15:47 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
yup |
| 15:47 |
Josain Zsun |
Standards are good archival tools |
| 15:49 |
Zan Lubitsch |
I guess a major concern in the standardization is intellectual property... |
| 15:49 |
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Tali Rosca shrugs. "I don't know, though. There is definitely *something* in the cards, with LL buying Desura". |
| 15:49 |
Tali Rosca |
Though whether they will ever get any synergy there, I don't know. |
| 15:50 |
Zan Lubitsch |
Don't you think they are absorbing competitors in order to survive? |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
So far, LL has not been all that good at incorporating radically new ideas into SL. |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
Mostly, it seems competitors just commit suicide. |
| 15:50 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
"radically new ideas" rarely get funding in these days... |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
Something like Versu was. |
| 15:51 |
Zan Lubitsch |
Nevertheless, they are still up and running, years after, even with slow improvements. |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
I would have *loved* to see a way to script AI (and combine it with pathfinding) in SL. |
| 15:51 |
Josain Zsun |
What does the latest CEO bring to the game? |
| 15:51 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Time will tell. |
| 15:51 |
Zan Lubitsch |
Feminity? :) |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
But it remained an iPad-only product. |
| 15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
Word on the street is that he seems to have a better feel for what *SL* actually is than the predecessors, who were mostly brought in to run *Linden Lab*. |
| 15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
Whether that is hopeful thinking from the honeymoon currently going on, I don't know. |
| 15:53 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Impossible to satisfy everyone, anyway. |
| 15:54 |
Tali Rosca |
...and of all the things I've thought about Ebbe Altberg, I must say that femininity was not the first which sprang to mind. |
| 15:54 |
Zan Lubitsch |
Sorry. Was talking stupid ;) |
| 15:54 |
Larkylouz |
:^) |
| 15:54 |
Tali Rosca |
Anyway, we are nearing the hour. Any last questions? |
| 15:55 |
Meora (menchor) |
when are the airships going to be back? |
| 15:55 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
those over Oxbridge? |
| 15:55 |
Meora (menchor) |
in Caledon |
| 15:56 |
Martini Discovolante |
the CAT? |
| 15:56 |
Meora (menchor) |
yes |
| 15:56 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
hmmm, i don't know |
| 15:56 |
Martini Discovolante |
Caledon Air Transport? |
| 15:56 |
Meora (menchor) |
yes |
| 15:56 |
Tali Rosca |
I haven't heard anything either way. You'll probably have to ask Jorge directly. |
| 15:56 |
Zan Lubitsch |
Call A Taxi ? |
| 15:56 |
Martini Discovolante |
it needs work, surmise. |
| 15:57 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
perhaps it was switched off temporarily because we had a change with the regions recently |
| 15:57 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
I understand it has to be re-adjusted. |
| 15:57 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
i think so |
| 15:58 |
Martini Discovolante |
regions moving, adn rescripting will keep it down awhile i assume |
| 15:58 |
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Josain Zsun takes the old schedule off the wall |
| 15:59 |
Tali Rosca |
Any last questions or comments, or should we call it adjourned? |
| 15:59 |
Zan Lubitsch |
Thank you for running these classes. |
| 15:59 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
we should mention, that Caledon turns 8 these days, officially at the 26th February |
| 16:00 |
Tali Rosca |
I just noticed an announcement of several events in ISC. |
| 16:01 |
Tali Rosca |
So, until next week: Dance away at the balls. |
| 16:01 |
Mentadent |
What's ISC, pls? |
| 16:01 |
Tali Rosca |
And see you next cat-time. |
| 16:01 |
Tali Rosca |
Independent State of Caledon. It's shorthand for the group. |
| 16:01 |
MikeVa Waco |
Thank you for your time, Deans and congrats to Dean Steadi |
| 16:01 |
Mentadent |
shame on me - lol |
| 16:01 |
Larkylouz |
Thank you, Deans |
| 16:01 |
Gronk Seriman |
Thank you, Deand! |
| 16:01 |
Zan Lubitsch |
Yes, thank you so much for your time Deans. |
| 16:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Bedtime for me agian. |
| 16:02 |
Steadman Kondor |
gnite all :) |
| 16:02 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
thank you all for coming. next week we will succeed |
| 16:02 |
Tali Rosca |
Good night, Elfbiti. |
| 16:02 |
Friends of Caledon Oxbridge Donation Medallion |
Zan Lubitsch gave a generous donation to Friends of Caledon Oxbridge to help support classes, tutorials, & tier at Caledon's Oxbridge |
| 16:02 |
Martini Discovolante |
thank you all for coming,a dn good night Mr EB! |
| 16:02 |
Mentadent |
Yeah - well done Deani's |
| 16:02 |
Red Quixote |
au revoir farewell |
| 16:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Be seeing you |
| 16:02 |
Ravelli Ormstein |
Good Night Elf |
| 16:02 |
Zan Lubitsch |
Take care everyone. |