| 15:02 |
Tali Rosca |
So, we're at it again with the weekly QA, where we will try to answer questions about Oxbridge and Caledon, and discuss SL topics in general. |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
As most of you know, the deans each have their area of responsibility, as you can see here: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php |
| 15:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And now we are three. |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
QA. Now with 50& more dean! |
| 15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
50% |
| 15:04 |
Martini Discovolante |
welll, maybe 25% more ;-) |
| 15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
100% more feline, though. |
| 15:04 |
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Martini Discovolante gets out a wee chair |
| 15:04 |
Martini Discovolante |
mew! |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
So, let us start. Who has questions? |
| 15:05 |
Meora (menchor) |
has there been an announcement about the LL CEO? |
| 15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
None whatsoever; not even that there is no CEO. |
| 15:06 |
Larkylouz |
Communication sure isn't LL's strong point, is it? |
| 15:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
You noticed? |
| 15:07 |
Meora (menchor) |
never has been |
| 15:07 |
Larkylouz |
LOL |
| 15:07 |
Galiena DeTourney (detourney) |
smiles |
| 15:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
no exit strategy :) |
| 15:07 |
Tali Rosca |
I guess LL figured the residents had no reason to discuss internal affairs like CEOs. |
| 15:07 |
Tali Rosca |
But I must say I find it a strangely stand-off-ish attitude. |
| 15:08 |
Meora (menchor) |
even for LL this is a little unusual |
| 15:08 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Forums probably have a rundown of conspiracy theories as usual... |
| 15:09 |
Meora (menchor) |
at some level it must have caught them by surprise |
| 15:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
As far as I know, Snowden hasn't made any announcements re LL. |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
Some say that, yes, LL was surprised by Rod leaving. That should not stop them from *announcing* it, though. |
| 15:10 |
Tali Rosca |
I don't think so, though. A CEO doesn't just suddenly drop a company and walk out; at least not if he wants any business later. |
| 15:10 |
Tali Rosca |
Obviously, *most* of LL didn't know anything. That's boardroom strategy. |
| 15:12 |
Martini Discovolante |
and it would behoove them to wish him well, looking forward to opportunities for SL, etcetc of expected rhetoric. saying *nothing* is rather poor form. |
| 15:12 |
Tali Rosca |
As for Snowden, we probably can't expect anything from him, but I must say, I am impressed by the discipline of the "normal" Lindens. |
| 15:12 |
Tali Rosca |
They maintain a total radio silence with no leaks. |
| 15:13 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Unless everybody thinks making the announcement is a job for somebody else. |
| 15:13 |
Tali Rosca |
Another thing which has left people puzzled is that LL made a change to their policies this week. |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
The disallowed land-bot running on mainland. |
| 15:14 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Overdue change IMO |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
Which. frankly, makes very little sense. |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
Overdue, yes, but 5 years overdue, and now on a landmarket where it is irrelevant. |
| 15:15 |
Tali Rosca |
Some have wondered if it is preparing for some further, land-related changes. |
| 15:15 |
Meora (menchor) |
it was a way to make a little money on a parcel you were getting rid of |
| 15:17 |
Larkylouz |
Please say a little more about what a 'disallowed land-bot running on mainland' means? |
| 15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
Everybody are totally in the dark about the reason for that change *now*. |
| 15:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Odd, unless it correlates with whoever is now keeping the place running. |
| 15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
Landbots are automated clients which scan the listings for land for sale. |
| 15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
They buy it (for their land baron operators) when the price is low enough, and resell it for a slightly higher price. |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
Essentially, flash-trading land. |
| 15:18 |
Larkylouz |
I see. Thankyou |
| 15:18 |
Galiena DeTourney (detourney) |
nods |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
It was how the mainland market worked 4-5 years ago. |
| 15:19 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
One wonders how they affected SL performance. |
| 15:19 |
Tali Rosca |
With a few land barons choosing instead to make an effort of creating a community, or at least simply owning coherent sims and renting out from there. |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
The pure "bot runners" didn't have the best of reputations- |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
With some even snatching up land which was set for sale by mistake, such as when you tried to sell land to a friend, and you were both standing on the parcel. |
| 15:20 |
Galiena DeTourney (detourney) |
shakes head |
| 15:21 |
Tali Rosca |
You set it for sale, expecting your friend to but it instantly, but a landbot swooped in *immediately* and bought it. |
| 15:21 |
Tali Rosca |
And some bot runners refused to give such land back. |
| 15:21 |
Tali Rosca |
So, yeah, people will cry Tökk's tears over banning land bot running, but why LL choose to do it *now* is frankly a mystery. |
| 15:22 |
Tony Eisenmann |
isn`t there a chance they will get stuck with the unsold land ? |
| 15:22 |
Martini Discovolante |
they did implement the "for sale to: anyone/specified person" to help offset the swooping. |
| 15:23 |
Martini Discovolante |
quite awhile ago. |
| 15:23 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Mainland already has _lots_ of abandoned land now. |
| 15:23 |
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Tali Rosca nods. "Obviously, there needs to be enough market for the bot runners to resell, and that's why it's largely irrelevant, since the mainland market has been crashed completely for years now." |
| 15:24 |
Tony Eisenmann |
so on that theory it should be a lot cheaper |
| 15:24 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
I rechecked my landmarks recently and in many places there was now nothing; lots of abandoned land. |
| 15:24 |
Martini Discovolante |
perhaps a way to throttle down on speculative action? |
| 15:24 |
Tali Rosca |
Most mainland costs less than 1L$ per square meter currently. |
| 15:24 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
And I have heard similar things from elsewhere. |
| 15:25 |
Tony Eisenmann |
true, the trend is a beach front |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
I have heard one theory which makes sense, but I don't really believe it myself, so don't take this as me running with rumors: |
| 15:25 |
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Martini Discovolante puts on her trainers |
| 15:25 |
Galiena DeTourney (detourney) |
laughs |
| 15:25 |
Tony Eisenmann |
chuckles |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
It could be a precursor to tier changes; either lower tiers or allowing more land per tier level. So LL wants to pre-empt any rush that will create. |
| 15:26 |
Tony Eisenmann |
ah |
| 15:26 |
Tony Eisenmann |
possible |
| 15:26 |
Tali Rosca |
That would make sense, but I don't believe in land price changes now. |
| 15:26 |
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Josain Zsun still has 512 sqm parcel in the middle of an abandoned sim adjacent to another abandoned sim. |
| 15:26 |
Josain Zsun |
Makes for a quiet neighborhood... |
| 15:27 |
Galiena DeTourney (detourney) |
smiles. whispers sounds like my kind of place |
| 15:27 |
Tali Rosca |
My mainland parcel is much the same; half the sim is abandoned, and I have a little corner there. |
| 15:27 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Not much neon, I'd guess. Or you have to bring your own. |
| 15:28 |
Meora (menchor) |
our corner of mainland is fully occupied |
| 15:28 |
Josain Zsun |
My platform is at altitude, out of sight. |
| 15:28 |
Tali Rosca |
There are a few old communities on the mainland which is still highly sought-after prime estate. |
| 15:29 |
Tali Rosca |
And something like Bay City is lively. |
| 15:29 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
like which ones? |
| 15:29 |
Josain Zsun |
ERC, Bay City if you are a sailor |
| 15:31 |
Tali Rosca |
I think I am running out of "weird LL news" to cover. |
| 15:31 |
Tali Rosca |
So any questions? |
| 15:31 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
I have something I've been wondering about. I type slow. And it will take a while to get to the point. |
| 15:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There have been what appear to be a couple cases of account hacking within Caledon. One being last night. |
| 15:32 |
Tali Rosca |
Oh? Any idea about how? |
| 15:32 |
Martini Discovolante |
never hurts to change your pasword and PW on your email if it is associated with SL as well |
| 15:32 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Be wise about clicking on links and keeping reasonably secure passwords. |
| 15:33 |
Martini Discovolante |
could be anything from sophistacated real hacker activity, to loose nut behind the keyboard. |
| 15:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Des had to grab a parcel, return payment, estate ban, a mute on group last night ... until the account is sorted out. |
| 15:33 |
Martini Discovolante |
or possibly that old hacker, Jack Daniel's |
| 15:34 |
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Martini Discovolante nods. |
| 15:34 |
Tali Rosca |
Though we've seen some rounds of phishing now and then. |
| 15:34 |
Tali Rosca |
Most "hacking" tends to end up in the latter category, to be a little cynical. |
| 15:34 |
Martini Discovolante |
sophisticated (i hate mistyping words i KNOW how to spell!) |
| 15:34 |
Tali Rosca |
That's why I was curious whether there was any indication how it was done this time. |
| 15:34 |
Galiena DeTourney (detourney) |
knows exactly that problem |
| 15:35 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
I don't know much abut the mainland but it looks different than the places I'm introduced to. It seems like people make most of their own stuff. Anyway, I would enjoy having a little blog and writing stories for my own amusement but it seems like we are expected to credit every person who made everything like hair, shoes, etc. I've made one hat and it wasn't easy. Do some people manage--not being shops or super creators--to make most of their own things eventually? |
| 15:35 |
Larkylouz |
I was online fairly late last night, and didn't see anything said in ISC beyond Des explaining what he'd done to deal with it. |
| 15:35 |
Martini Discovolante |
i am betting on asking another in the household to zip jin and pay the tier.... cause there were 6 days left on the meter, adn the miscreant knew that the tier was 950. |
| 15:36 |
Tali Rosca |
Mango had a barrage of different questions embedded there. So let us go through those. |
| 15:36 |
Martini Discovolante |
:) sorry for sendign over you! |
| 15:36 |
Tali Rosca |
Mainland is different because you rent directly from LL, with no middleman to enforce any theme. |
| 15:36 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
To me they are related questions. |
| 15:37 |
Tali Rosca |
So while Caledon is, say, a steampunk nation, each parcel on the mainland is whatever people want to do with it. |
| 15:37 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
fairly decently |
| 15:37 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
The main one being.....about making most of our stuff ourselves |
| 15:37 |
Tali Rosca |
As for when you see blogs with a lot of credits, those are typically fashion blogs where the whole idea is to present items you can go buy. |
| 15:38 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
so if i write a story with photos i don't.....ok good. |
| 15:38 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
because i wouldn't be implying i made everything myself. |
| 15:38 |
Tali Rosca |
You are under no special obligations to credit everybody, no more than you are with RL photographs. |
| 15:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
If you take the photos.... |
| 15:38 |
Martini Discovolante |
Mango-- peopel can take classes, search video how-tos on the internet, and the LL wiki to learn. |
| 15:38 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
ahh good ok |
| 15:38 |
Martini Discovolante |
but i found that what reallyt helped me the most when learning was having building buddies |
| 15:38 |
Tali Rosca |
By and large, the same principles apply here as in RL. |
| 15:38 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
because after making the hat i don't think all stuff made by me would look great. thanks! |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
If you take pictures of *a person*, you need that person's consent. |
| 15:39 |
Martini Discovolante |
friends i shared learning with. |
| 15:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It becomes a matter of what can you do, how much time do you have, and what you want to do in SL with that time. |
| 15:39 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
ok good |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
As for building... that is a very wide question. |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
Most people end up doing *some* things themselves. |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
But nobody is good at *everything*. |
| 15:40 |
Tali Rosca |
All I wear, for example, is bought. |
| 15:40 |
Tali Rosca |
Who here is wearing something they made themselves? |
| 15:40 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
ok that answers my question. sometimes it seems like just a bunch of famous people are making things and everyone else is a consumer |
| 15:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
For some of us, it is a mix. |
| 15:40 |
Martini Discovolante |
i am , except my body and boots :) but thsi took me a week. |
| 15:41 |
Tony Eisenmann |
i`m sorry , heading to midnight here i must go, |
| 15:41 |
Tony Eisenmann |
ty and good night |
| 15:41 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
ok; it must have the fashion blogs that confused me. |
| 15:41 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks for coming, Mr. Eisenmann. |
| 15:41 |
Martini Discovolante |
night, Mr Tony |
| 15:41 |
Tali Rosca |
The chair I am sitting on is one I made myself one evening when I felt I should have a chair which was fitting for me being "dean of engines". |
| 15:41 |
Galiena DeTourney (detourney) |
Night night |
| 15:41 |
Tony Eisenmann |
ty, been informative |
| 15:42 |
Tali Rosca |
So it's a little crude and quickly done, but it serves the purpose. |
| 15:42 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
Dean of engines.....:) |
| 15:42 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes, the scripted "engines" that help us run the place. |
| 15:43 |
Tali Rosca |
But yes, you'll definitely see "superstar creators", names you see again and again because they are just making good things. |
| 15:43 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
ok, well i will see what i can make and not worry about crediting every eyelash in a photo that i might take. |
| 15:43 |
Tali Rosca |
Some of those even make an actual RL living from it. |
| 15:44 |
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Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) nods |
| 15:45 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
At the same time, they likely have specialized in some area of creation. |
| 15:45 |
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Tali Rosca nods. "Some make houses, other skins, other hair, other clothes." |
| 15:45 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
A lot of the places in the destination guide look to be made of bought things whereas on the mainland it looks.....more.......like people just make stuff. |
| 15:45 |
Meora (menchor) |
and you might try the classes here they teach basics in lots of things |
| 15:45 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
Yes, I took one class. I liked it. |
| 15:45 |
Tali Rosca |
Mainland is cheaper and easier to just "once do and then forget about". |
| 15:45 |
Martini Discovolante |
th edestination guide is a bit of a showpiece. |
| 15:46 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
Yes, it looks very different to me. |
| 15:46 |
Tali Rosca |
So a lot of mainland looks a little jumbled, compared to the dedicated themes of the private estates. |
| 15:46 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
yes |
| 15:46 |
Martini Discovolante |
they would not get many visitors to 'Hodgepodge island" |
| 15:46 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
haha....i've had fun at hodgepodge island |
| 15:47 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
and riding those pod things |
| 15:47 |
Tali Rosca |
It's a bit of a running joke, really. |
| 15:47 |
Tali Rosca |
With people from private estates more or less ironically dismissing the "crude mainland". |
| 15:47 |
Josain Zsun |
Building & coding skill comes with practice. There are several in this meeting that probably felt the same way about their fires virtual creations that are very impressive now. |
| 15:47 |
Josain Zsun |
first |
| 15:47 |
Martini Discovolante |
there are design groups, liek the builders of "kingdom of Sand" who do it professionally |
| 15:47 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
it's nice to visit the showpieces but i don't want to spend my time reaching that level. |
| 15:48 |
Tali Rosca |
But it's more a matter of where communities gather than of it being mainland or estate. |
| 15:48 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
i see |
| 15:48 |
Tali Rosca |
It's just that most estates, by nature, is built around a community of some sort. |
| 15:48 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
ok |
| 15:49 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
that was informative. I wasn't sure how to ask the question more briefly. |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
Indigo's East River is mainland, isn't it? |
| 15:50 |
Josain Zsun |
It is |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
That was the ERC you mentioned? |
| 15:50 |
Josain Zsun |
Yes |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
I had forgotten the "Community" :-) |
| 15:51 |
Josain Zsun |
East River Community |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
East River Community, yes. |
| 15:51 |
Josain Zsun |
Centered on Helvellyn sim |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
That's a good example of a private community on mainland. |
| 15:51 |
Tali Rosca |
Where Bay City is "Linden seeded". |
| 15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
So not *entirely* spontaneously created, though it's run as such now. |
| 15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
There is another name which escapes me currently... A very old mainland community which I think is still mostly intact... |
| 15:53 |
Tali Rosca |
Ohwell. |
| 15:53 |
Meora (menchor) |
Neualtenburg? |
| 15:53 |
Josain Zsun |
Chilbo was until LL anti-education policies motivated Fleep Tuque to learn OSG and move her Cincinatti University there and build her own grid. |
| 15:53 |
Josain Zsun |
It is mostly abandoned now. |
| 15:54 |
Tali Rosca |
Is Neualtenburg on mainland? |
| 15:54 |
Meora (menchor) |
it was |
| 15:54 |
Josain Zsun |
If a prim falls in an abandoned sim, does it make a sound? |
| 15:55 |
Tali Rosca |
That turned into some history lessons and some talk about the structure of SL in general. |
| 15:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It creates vibrations in the air ... |
| 15:55 |
Tali Rosca |
Any other topics we should cover before the hour is up? |
| 15:57 |
Tali Rosca |
Let's say that's it for tonight. |
| 15:57 |
Mango Lassi (mangolassicairn) |
Thank you |
| 15:57 |
Martini Discovolante |
:) |
| 15:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you all. |
| 15:57 |
Tali Rosca |
Thanks for coming and joining the discussion. |
| 15:57 |
Friends of Caledon Oxbridge Donation Medallion |
Larkylouz Resident gave a generous donation to Friends of Caledon Oxbridge to help support classes, tutorials, & tier at Caledon's Oxbridge |
| 15:57 |
Galiena DeTourney (detourney) |
Thank you for your time Deans |
| 15:58 |
Meora (menchor) |
always learn something |