| 15:00 |
Tali Rosca |
Greetings and welcome to. There will, contrary to the rumors, be no dean mud-wrestling tonight. |
| 15:00 |
Meora (menchor) |
`aaaaw |
| 15:00 |
Tali Rosca |
If you look at http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php, you'll see our area of competence, and as you will notice, mud-wrestling is not on the list. |
| 15:01 |
Larkylouz |
Well, then, I'm out of here. |
| 15:01 |
Jules Doghouse |
pfffff |
| 15:01 |
Tali Rosca |
We will, however, do our best to answer questions about Oxbridge, Caledon and SL in general over the next hour. |
| 15:01 |
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Jules Doghouse tosses a peanut |
| 15:01 |
Tali Rosca |
So who has the first question? |
| 15:02 |
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Martini Discovolante wriggles out of her mudboots |
| 15:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Hm. Did the announcement go through? |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
While waiting for someone to step up to the plate, I'll (once again) mention that the voting for the Oxbridge Building Contest is open now. |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
And will be so for the next week, with prizes awarded next Sunday. |
| 15:03 |
Martini Discovolante |
some spectacular builds! |
| 15:03 |
Jules Doghouse |
a lovely competition |
| 15:03 |
Larkylouz |
I didn't get an announcement. |
| 15:03 |
Tali Rosca |
We have had a good turn-out, with all spots taken, though it seems one contestant didn't finish a build. |
| 15:04 |
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Tali Rosca sighs. "The group notices are legendarily unstable." |
| 15:04 |
Tali Rosca |
I don't think you can rely on getting the messages unless you already have the group chat open. |
| 15:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I had the announcement pop up and also see it in the group chat.. |
| 15:05 |
Larkylouz |
I logged on late. That might have affected it. |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
I sent the last announcement at 14.53 |
| 15:06 |
Tali Rosca |
-I have noticed that people generally need a *little* more than five minutes to arrive. |
| 15:07 |
Larkylouz |
One must finish one's toilette! |
| 15:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
oh-- playoff games today too. |
| 15:08 |
Jules Doghouse |
yes |
| 15:08 |
Martini Discovolante |
tho i heard fireworks |
| 15:08 |
Tali Rosca |
I'm actually serious. When I send out announcements five minutes before, we have some stragglers for a couple of minutes. |
| 15:08 |
Martini Discovolante |
so i suppose the broncos are going to Sooperbowl |
| 15:08 |
Jules Doghouse |
anybody object to a spoiler? |
| 15:08 |
Tali Rosca |
If I send it a few minutes earlier, people are here. |
| 15:08 |
Jules Doghouse |
Broncs won |
| 15:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The fitted mesh viewer is not in release candidate status. |
| 15:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
*now |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
I don't play Pokemon, so I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 15:09 |
Jules Doghouse |
hhahahahaa\ |
| 15:09 |
Martini Discovolante |
i forgot to watch |
| 15:09 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) :-) :-) :-) |
| 15:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/sl-projects-updates-upcoming-server-releases-fitted-mesh-http-oculus-rift-more/ |
| 15:10 |
Tali Rosca |
On the downside, it seems the group ban project has run into some additional trouble and is delayed a bit further. |
| 15:10 |
Martini Discovolante |
bummer. |
| 15:10 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
A bit more complex changes than they had thought. |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
Given how long they have been working on it, I am a bit surprised to hear them running into unexpected things by now. |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
The "Interesting" viewer is also nearing RC status. |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
It could well be the next after Fitted Mesh is released. |
| 15:15 |
Tali Rosca |
That one will use the cache better, so rezzing should look faster. |
| 15:16 |
Tali Rosca |
So we're slowly getting back to "business as usual" after the Christmas freeze. |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There's also a blog post on the HTTP project (to improve network communication). http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Tools-and-Technology/Raising-the-Roof-The-HTTP-Project/ba-p/2416075 |
| 15:16 |
Meora (menchor) |
lots of changes in the pipeline |
| 15:16 |
Tali Rosca |
The HTTP blog post is primarily a retrospect. |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
It is somewhat interesting that they mention SPDY at the end of that post, because they are solving pretty much exactly the things SPDY was meant to solve. |
| 15:18 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The project viewer also has RC status. |
| 15:18 |
Larkylouz |
SPDY? |
| 15:19 |
Tali Rosca |
SPDY is built on top of HTTP, as a protocol which keeps the connection open and pipes several responses and requests through it. |
| 15:19 |
Tali Rosca |
Rather than having to initiate a new connection each time. |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
It's driven by Google, and several web sites already use it, invisibly in the background, if the browser supports it. |
| 15:20 |
Larkylouz |
TY, Tali |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
Which is pretty much exactly what LL has been doing to optimize their HTTP transport. |
| 15:23 |
Tali Rosca |
Any other topics to ramble a bit on, if we don't have any specific questions? |
| 15:23 |
Larkylouz |
I have one that I'm curious about. |
| 15:23 |
Tali Rosca |
Yes? |
| 15:24 |
Larkylouz |
Earlier this week, I ran into a woman who said she was having a rezzing problem. It made her look like she had an alpha mask on, but she didn't and she'd tried everything. I sent a notecard to the Deans at the time. Any resolution? |
| 15:25 |
Martini Discovolante |
i saw that one Larky... adn i think we talked about it... if only she can see it, it is on her end. |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
Not really, to my knowledge. |
| 15:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Not anything that I've run into before. |
| 15:25 |
Larkylouz |
Okay. Thanks. |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
That sort of issues are mostly out of our hands. The best we can do is to gather a knowledge bank about the issues and possible workarounds. |
| 15:26 |
Meora (menchor) |
did she try the avatar test to see if it was something she was wearing? |
| 15:26 |
Tali Rosca |
But my experience with the rezzing issues after SSA is that it is generally more stable, but once it fails, you're pretty much without a chance to figure it out. |
| 15:27 |
Tali Rosca |
And, as Martini says, it is often specific to one person. |
| 15:27 |
Meora (menchor) |
I discovered going into the edit outfit menu was a fix for a texture not loading |
| 15:27 |
Meora (menchor) |
accidentally |
| 15:28 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Nods.... Something to jog the system into retrying when something has failed. |
| 15:29 |
Martini Discovolante |
after the usual, everythign gets painful, character test, clear cache relog, then the fun stuff, like a clean reinstall. |
| 15:30 |
Larkylouz |
I think she'd tried most of those things. I as just curious and hoping there would be a help for her. |
| 15:31 |
Tali Rosca |
By and large, we need to rebuild the toolbox of tricks and known issues, so if you hear about a solution, do tell everybody |
| 15:31 |
Meora (menchor) |
rebake apparently no longer works |
| 15:31 |
Briana Cuyler (brianac013) |
hey! |
| 15:32 |
TempusTide |
hi |
| 15:32 |
Tali Rosca |
Rebake was related to your machine regenerating the textures and uploading them. |
| 15:32 |
Briana Cuyler (brianac013) |
How do i buy clothes? |
| 15:32 |
Tali Rosca |
With SSA, that's simply not how it works at all anymore, so rebaking client-side has no meaning. |
| 15:32 |
Meora (menchor) |
they could have hooked it to the server code |
| 15:33 |
Tali Rosca |
Potentially, they could, but to my knowledge, they haven't. |
| 15:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
If the baking isn't being done for individual view, then rebaking become a global (server) process. |
| 15:33 |
Mrs. ICE - London (londonjoy) |
aww kk |
| 15:35 |
Ark Obviate |
Would a P2p network be effective in sl as in bitcoin |
| 15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
I am not sure if it would make much sense, really. |
| 15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
(That was to rebaking) |
| 15:36 |
Tali Rosca |
I strongly suspect that most errors are not *bake fails*, but individual failures during transmission. |
| 15:37 |
Tali Rosca |
Ark, that rather depends on effective for what? |
| 15:37 |
Meora (menchor) |
the error I see about half the time is one oof the 3 skin layers doesn't load |
| 15:37 |
Ark Obviate |
cost saving for the lindens and promote a better platform |
| 15:38 |
Tali Rosca |
It would be a completely different platform. You would probably need some "masters" anyway, doing things like coordinated physics calculations, in the same way some multiplayer games have one machine take on the host role. |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
But it would create some very tricky issues about asset ownership, for one. |
| 15:40 |
Tali Rosca |
And security and privacy in general. |
| 15:41 |
Gronk Seriman |
The Lindens make money renting land (server space). I doubt they'd encourage anything that cuts them out on that deal. |
| 15:42 |
Ark Obviate |
the lindens would still rent out land without the server space. security and assets could be created on another platform like how bitcoin trades |
| 15:42 |
Tali Rosca |
The whole core of Bitcoin is that it is *insanely* computationally expensive. |
| 15:43 |
Ark Obviate |
if we created a bitcoin economy in sl, this economy would blow up |
| 15:43 |
Tali Rosca |
That just doesn't work in a realtime environment. |
| 15:43 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Is that advocacy, Obviate? |
| 15:44 |
Tali Rosca |
...as Bitcoin is blowing up currently. For some interpretation of "blowing up". |
| 15:45 |
Tali Rosca |
It will be interesting, though, to see which path future virtual worlds choose. |
| 15:46 |
Tali Rosca |
If there is an established alternate digital currency by then, or if they will use "real" money microtransactions directly. |
| 15:47 |
Tali Rosca |
There is a certain, instinctive reluctance against using real money on "just a game", so the idea of using tokens, like L$, may make more sense than it initially seems. |
| 15:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There are also tax aspects of income being delayed until converted into real money. |
| 15:49 |
Tali Rosca |
There seems to be some tax issues currently. |
| 15:49 |
Tali Rosca |
I haven't really followed that discussion closely, at it is a US thing. |
| 15:49 |
Tali Rosca |
And US residents having followed that? |
| 15:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I saw something about it in connection of data recording and concerns of money laundering. |
| 15:50 |
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Tali Rosca nods. "Something about providing documentation/ID if you have a large cash flow." |
| 15:51 |
Meora (menchor) |
the IRS are requiring am W9 for more than a certain number of either dollars or transactions |
| 15:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2013/11/21/ll-request-tax-info-from-some-customers-and-issue-blog-post-clarification/ |
| 15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
Which overall doesn't seem wildly mysterious. But I just haven't looked into it. |
| 15:53 |
Tali Rosca |
I don't know how many people it affects. |
| 15:53 |
Meora (menchor) |
I think its 200 cash out transactions or $20,000 |
| 15:53 |
Meora (menchor) |
in a year |
| 15:53 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Same thing with PayPal |
| 15:55 |
Tali Rosca |
On those levels, it is a business, so no surprise that it will be treated as such. |
| 15:55 |
Tali Rosca |
The "just a game" is certainly breaking down at the edges :-) |
| 15:56 |
Tali Rosca |
Thanks for the details. |
| 15:57 |
Meora (menchor) |
the issue is if you are cashing out and using it to pay tier.............................. |
| 15:57 |
Tali Rosca |
With four minutes to the stroke of the hours, is this a good place to adjourn. Or do we have more questions we can sneak in= |
| 15:57 |
Tali Rosca |
? |
| 15:57 |
Martini Discovolante |
can i make a very non-techy anonouncement? |
| 15:58 |
Tali Rosca |
Certainly. |
| 15:58 |
Martini Discovolante |
the LEA interim sims are open, adn the group i am in with got a nice writeup :) |
| 15:58 |
Martini Discovolante |
http://zikiquesti.blogspot.com/ |
| 15:59 |
Martini Discovolante |
and i would love for you all to come visit it. |
| 15:59 |
Martini Discovolante |
or all of them . |
| 15:59 |
Martini Discovolante |
we are on LEA28 |
| 15:59 |
Martini Discovolante |
just type i in the world map |
| 16:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
LEA being Linden Endowment for the Arts? |
| 16:00 |
Martini Discovolante |
a fellow you may have seen lurking about there, Mr VanMoer built a rather remarkable house |
| 16:00 |
Martini Discovolante |
yessir |
| 16:00 |
Tali Rosca |
As I understand it, you were sort of drafted into flash-mobbing a LEA sim? |
| 16:00 |
Martini Discovolante |
lurking HERE :0 |
| 16:00 |
Martini Discovolante |
a friend recommended me. |
| 16:01 |
Martini Discovolante |
they are filling the sims for a month , before the grants go into effect. |
| 16:01 |
Martini Discovolante |
it was all seat of the pants. |
| 16:01 |
Martini Discovolante |
and things are still changing every day. |
| 16:01 |
Martini Discovolante |
so fun to go see them frequently. |
| 16:01 |
Martini Discovolante |
i think there are 17 of them. |
| 16:02 |
Martini Discovolante |
or maybe more |
| 16:03 |
Martini Discovolante |
i hav eonly seen the four nearest me. |
| 16:03 |
Mrs. ICE - London (londonjoy) |
may I get that LM again please |
| 16:03 |
Tali Rosca |
LEA28 (128,128,2) |
| 16:03 |
Mrs. ICE - London (londonjoy) |
ty |
| 16:03 |
Tali Rosca |
...according to the world map. |
| 16:04 |
Tali Rosca |
I have no idea where you land in the sim :-) |
| 16:04 |
Martini Discovolante |
it is hubbed. |
| 16:04 |
Martini Discovolante |
so you land in the middle of everything. |
| 16:04 |
Meora (menchor) |
do we need to have weapons ready? |
| 16:04 |
Martini Discovolante |
if you wnat to hunt Kraken! |
| 16:04 |
Martini Discovolante |
we also have an observatory |
| 16:04 |
Tali Rosca |
Great. I think we should say the QA is over, and encourage people to wander the LEA28 sim. |
| 16:05 |
Martini Discovolante |
for watchign, but i warn you, sometimes they break in! |
| 16:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks you all. |
| 16:05 |
Gronk Seriman |
Thank you, Deans! |
| 16:05 |
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Meora (menchor) gets weapon ready |
| 16:05 |
Martini Discovolante |
thank you everyone. and sorry for the plug, but i think you wikll have fun. |
| 16:05 |
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Larkylouz loves the LEA sims. |
| 16:05 |
Martini Discovolante |
and damage is OFF there, so you can have more fun |
| 16:06 |
Larkylouz |
Thank you, Deans. |