Caledon Oxbridge Q&A for 2014-01-05

15:01	Tali Rosca	Greetings and welcome to a new year in Caledon.
15:01	Tali Rosca	This is the weekly QA with the deans of Oxbridge, where we will take questions about Oxbridge, Caledon or SL-related topics, and do our best to answer them.
15:01	Tali Rosca	We each have our area of expertise, as you can see here: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php, so we may pitch in at different times.
15:01	Tali Rosca	-Though, of course, we're also known to have an opinion on everything, just on principle.
15:02	Tali Rosca	So, any questions?
15:03	Meora (menchor)	anyone have any idea when the mesh clothing update will go live?
15:03	Tali Rosca	Fitted mesh?
15:03	Meora (menchor)	yes
15:04	Tali Rosca	There's no date announced for that. My guess is that it's a handful of weeks away, as all the updates which have been on hold during the no-change Christmas period are released.
15:05	Sauce Sorrowman	what exactly are theyt adding that wasn't there before? bosom support?
15:05	Tali Rosca	Officially supporting collision rigging.
15:06	Tali Rosca	And yes, they have added 7 new bones.
15:06	Wordsmith Jarvinen	That and bottom bones.
15:06	Sauce Sorrowman	so will old liquid mesh stuff still work?
15:06	Tali Rosca	I was lectured hard by one person about how that was certainly not what they were doing; they had added a lot more, and the system will be much more precise than Liquid.
15:06	Sauce Sorrowman	hmm
15:07	Tali Rosca	The person could not take the time to tell me what was actually done, though, and it contradicts everything I have heard about it.
15:07	Tali Rosca	Including the wiki page about it.
15:07	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Hearsay, then?
15:07	Tali Rosca	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Rigging_Fitted_Mesh
15:08	Wordsmith Jarvinen	And, if these are collision volume bones, too much precisions wouldn't be good.
15:08	Tali Rosca	I see no reason why Liquid/RedRigged mesh should not continue to work.
15:08	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Red Poly did, at one point, propose an entire new set of bones.
15:08	Tali Rosca	To my knowledge, the existing collision bones remain as is.
15:09	Meora (menchor)	the video I saw also had it adjusting to the fat and muscle sliders
15:09	Tali Rosca	LL has not been wildly forthcoming with details, though, leaving people to read the code patches and black-box reverse engineer what happens at upload.
15:10	Tali Rosca	The fat and muscle sliders affect the collision bones; the rough, physical shape of your avatar.
15:10	Tali Rosca	And in turn, you rig clothes to these collision bones, so it reacts to the volume of them, as well as to the length of the "normal" bones.
15:12	Tali Rosca	That is why I believe that the clothes will adjust to that approximation of your avatar shape, just like Liquid does currently.
15:13	Wordsmith Jarvinen	The best likelihood being that they've add a few more collision bones to catch breast and butt settings.
15:14	Larkylouz	Sounds uncomfortable!
15:14		Larkylouz apologizes for being late.
15:14	Tali Rosca	Specifically: BUTT LEFT_PEC RIGHT_PEC LEFT_HANDLE RIGHT_HANDLE LOWER_BACK UPPER_BACK
15:14	Ravelli Ormstein	Hello Professor Larkylouz
15:14	Larkylouz	Greetings, everyone. Dean Ormstein.
15:14	Tali Rosca	With BUTT, LEFT_PEC and RIGHT_PEC being affected by physics.
15:15	Meora (menchor)	hi Larky
15:16	Larkylouz	Hey Meora
15:16	Satanico Marquis	Larky, Hi
15:16	Tali Rosca	Potentially, those four other new bones add more detail than the current collision volumes can alone.
15:17	Tali Rosca	(But they are collision bones themselves, working in the same way as the current)
15:19		Sauce Sorrowman coughs contest
15:19	Red Quixote	;P
15:19		Tali Rosca laughs. "I think Sauce has a comment."
15:19	Sauce Sorrowman	if anyone is interested in participating in a building contest, there is one running for the month in Oxbridge Village
15:20	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Not that he contests the above ...
15:20	Sauce Sorrowman	details obtained from the poster on the wall next to the timetable
15:20	Sauce Sorrowman	Snowblind
15:20	Marion Questi	How exciting!
15:20	Tali Rosca	The "Snowblind" building contest. 50 prims, 5x5x5 meter, go wild with handy equipment for a polar expedition or similar snow survival.
15:20	Sauce Sorrowman	room for 12 contestants and we have 6 registered, so there's still space
15:21	Marion Questi	I suggest you flog it again in COUG and ISC.
15:21	Sauce Sorrowman	there's a notecard in the poster with the rules and timeframes etc
15:22	Tali Rosca	Prizes sponsored by Grim Bros, Lassitude & Ennui, and Precious Liddell.
15:22	Sauce Sorrowman	oh yes, prizes, forgot we had those :P
15:22	Tali Rosca	We do. It's a real contest!
15:23	Ravelli Ormstein	i do see this note card now the first time, was it included in the box you had sent via group notice?
15:23	Sauce Sorrowman	though to be honest, most people do these for the bragging rights
15:23	Marion Questi	Well done lining up the sponsors.
15:23		Tali Rosca nods. "The notecard should be in the poster included in the second announcement."
15:24	Sauce Sorrowman	the idea is to have an event that people can meet up over and discuss building and creativity.
15:24	Wordsmith Jarvinen	(Notes the arrival of Mr. Serapis)
15:24	Jorge Serapis	waves disceetly
15:24	Sauce Sorrowman	a melting pot of inspiration :)
15:24	ArchDuchess of Muscles (jayleden.miles)	It's a good idea Sauce.
15:24		Sauce Sorrowman tips cap to Mr. Serapis
15:24		Sauce Sorrowman realises he's not wearing a cap and tugs forelock instead.
15:25	Martini Discovolante	hello Mr Jorges!
15:25	Tali Rosca	There will be a public vote for the winner at the end.
15:25	Tali Rosca	And I certainly hope the builders will talk about their builds.
15:25	Brianna Nitely (redheadedirishgirl.brianna)	I'm an amateur builder. On the snowblind card, what does it mean by "no physical builds"?
15:26	Sauce Sorrowman	just that the builds do not have physical prims in them. phyics is a property you can enable in prims so that they become affected by gravity and collisions etc
15:26	Wordsmith Jarvinen	A vehicle can be physical, having properties of momentum, acceleration, ....
15:26	Marion Questi	An object that has "physics" has mass...and places a strain on the sim. This is required for vehicles...but not usually for ordinary object.s
15:27	Brianna Nitely (redheadedirishgirl.brianna)	gotcha, thanks
15:27	Sauce Sorrowman	the rule is there to stop the contest turn into a maelstrom of bouncing prims
15:27	Sauce Sorrowman	:)
15:27	Tali Rosca	And in general to go easy on the sim resources.
15:27	Tali Rosca	You can still script some movement if it is necessary for the build; just not with the simulated physics system.
15:28	Tali Rosca	(Which really is wildly unstable for such use anyway)
15:29	Sauce Sorrowman	so that's the plug out of the way - join the contest!
15:29	Tali Rosca	And spread the word.
15:29	Tali Rosca	The primary purpose is to make Oxbridge the center of some activity.
15:30	Martini Discovolante	and get people building!
15:31	Brianna Nitely (redheadedirishgirl.brianna)	are we allowed to use other's scripts, or must that be our own as well?
15:31	Wordsmith Jarvinen	One reason I noted that Mr. Serapis was here came up last week --- concerning the disappearance of Caledon Sound and the effect of that on the CAT system.
15:32	Tali Rosca	As long as the script is not the primary part of what makes the build unique, I'd say you can use other's scripts. Sauce?
15:32	Jorge Serapis	If I may, the whole of the CAT needs to be e configured. I hav a possible scripter. I'm just waiting for the all clear that the new national borders hav settled down.
15:32	Sauce Sorrowman	agreed
15:33	Tali Rosca	(Similarly, you can use off-the-shelf sculpt or mesh parts as long as they are just a detail in your build)
15:33	Sauce Sorrowman	as long as the bulk is yours :)
15:33	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Any estimated time-frame to have that CAT reconfigure done?
15:34	Wordsmith Jarvinen	(roughly)
15:34	Satanico Marquis	I'm sure the new national borders will settöe soon - whatever that could mean
15:34	Jorge Serapis	TBH, ni. IDally, I'd like to say end of February.
15:34	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Nods. Thank you.
15:34	Jorge Serapis	The only route not affected is Sumie K's. All the others, including the submarines need to be ejigged.
15:35	Wordsmith Jarvinen	The CATs and submarines are definitely part of the "character" of Caledon. Much appreciated.
15:35	Satanico Marquis	Folks, seriously - are you talking to yourself, or to the audience?
15:36	Satanico Marquis	YEAHHH !!! Cmore submarines !!
15:36	Jorge Serapis	I was answeing the Dean's inquiry, I believe/
15:36	ArchDuchess of Muscles (jayleden.miles)	Indeed. Thank you, Jorge, I am sure you are doing your best.
15:36	Martini Discovolante	thsi question concerns all of caledon, Mr Marquis
15:36	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Ask a question and find out...
15:37	Tali Rosca	The CAT system is fairly well known in Caledon.
15:37	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Instead of whining.
15:37	Meora (menchor)	I love the airships, is there a route map going to be available for the submarines?
15:37	Sauce Sorrowman	I think he left
15:37	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Given that Mr. Serapis is part of the audience and not always here. The audience.
15:37	Jorge Serapis	It's in the works. :-)
15:37	Meora (menchor)	thank you
15:38	Jorge Serapis	Some stops might be closed to consolidate the routes...
15:38		Sauce Sorrowman must slip away
15:38	Sauce Sorrowman	goodnight all
15:38	Martini Discovolante	night Prof Sorrowman
15:38	Red Quixote	nite Sauce
15:38	Ravelli Ormstein	Ade Sauce
15:38	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Be seeing you
15:38	ArchDuchess of Muscles (jayleden.miles)	Night Sauce. Good to see you.
15:38	Jorge Serapis	... and as I said, the subs also need etooling.
15:38	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Goodnight, Sauce. Thanks for the update on the contest.
15:39	Tali Rosca	Any other topics? (Or clarifications needed)
15:40	Jorge Serapis	What is the average velocity of an unladen swallow?
15:41	ArchDuchess of Muscles (jayleden.miles)	grins
15:41	Wordsmith Jarvinen	;) European or African?
15:41	Jorge Serapis	(You know I had to get the question in.)
15:41	Tali Rosca	Depends on whether it has been rail accelerated by one of our cough scientists.
15:41	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	And Sauce and his Monty Python weight just left...
15:42	Martini Discovolante	grat!
15:43	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Did we mention the build contest being next to the chat circle in Village?
15:43	Larkylouz	Silly question, I know. How do autoreturns affect this contest?
15:44	Wordsmith Jarvinen	We also placed one of our Oxbridge donation medallions there for anyone who might feel so inspired.
15:44	Wordsmith Jarvinen	It's on its own group parcel.
15:44	Tali Rosca	It doesn't. The autoreturn is turned off in the parcel.
15:44	Tali Rosca	Instead, return is handled by a script. (Which rather aggressively returns non-contestants' prims).
15:45	Wordsmith Jarvinen	So I noticed when I tried to rez the medallion actually on that parcel.
15:45	Martini Discovolante	ouch!
15:45	Tali Rosca	-As well as disqualifying and return people's prims if they go over the prim limit.
15:46	ArchDuchess of Muscles (jayleden.miles)	A very smart script!
15:46	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Another reason for not allowing physical objects.
15:46	Jorge Serapis	Interesting. I was unde the ipression only live avatars can eturn items.
15:47	Tali Rosca	No. It is a fairly new LSL command.
15:47	Wordsmith Jarvinen	When an object actually turns physical, a size dependent penalty factor is applied.
15:47	Tali Rosca	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlReturnObjectsByOwner and http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlReturnObjectsByID
15:48	Tali Rosca	It has some quirky behavior about what it can return depending on who owns it, which left Sauce scratching his head for a little while before we got the system worked out with deeding.
15:48	Jorge Serapis	Well, pinch my cheeks and bedazzle my vajayjay...
15:49	Wordsmith Jarvinen	There may be a disadvantage in disqualifying on the prim limit too quickly. Some things require manually linking and then setting nonroot prims to "physics type none" to reduce effective prims.
15:49	Tali Rosca	You get a warning and some minutes to correct it before you're disqualified.
15:49	Wordsmith Jarvinen	kk That should suffice.
15:50		Larkylouz nods. Thank yuou
15:50	Larkylouz	*you
15:52	Tali Rosca	Any other questions here at the end?
15:53	Brianna Nitely (redheadedirishgirl.brianna)	nothing from me, thanks
15:54	Brianna Nitely (redheadedirishgirl.brianna)	Rl calls, must leave...
15:54	Tali Rosca	I don't think I have any other comments to throw in either.
15:54	Meora (menchor)	goodnight
15:54	Tali Rosca	Christmas is always a quiet time in SL, and all updates have been on hold, too.
15:54	Larkylouz	Thank you, Deans.
15:54	Tali Rosca	In turn, that should give us a steady stream of updates in the coming weeks.
15:55	ArchDuchess of Muscles (jayleden.miles)	Fun Fun!
15:55	Tali Rosca	...but that will likely be good topics for the next QAs.
15:55	Tali Rosca	So let us adjourn now.
15:55	Wordsmith Jarvinen	Thank you all.
15:56	Meora (menchor)	thank you deans that was very informative
15:56	Jorge Serapis	BRAVO!!!!!!
15:56	Jorge Serapis	*** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE*********
15:56	Jorge Serapis	.;:+'`' APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE '`'+:;.
15:56	Jorge Serapis	?~~?~~APPLAUSE~~?~~?
15:56	Ravelli Ormstein	good night all, thanks for coming
15:57	Tali Rosca	As usual, next week, same cat-time, same cat-channel.
15:57	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Okay. bedtime for me
15:57	Martini Discovolante	night Mr EB!
15:57	Wordsmith Jarvinen	As always, thanks for staying up, Mr. Elfbiter.