Caledon Oxbridge Q&A for 2013-12-22

15:00 Tali Rosca And so we're at it again, at another weekly Q & A with the deans of Oxbridge, where we will try to answer questions about Oxbridge, Caledon, and Second Life.
15:00 Tali Rosca We each have our area of expertise, which you can see here: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php, and between all of us, we know stuff!
15:01 Mikel (stylistfrank) ?
15:01 Tali Rosca So who has questions about stuff tonight?
15:01 Mikel (stylistfrank) i don't understand English so much
15:01 Mikel (stylistfrank) i want translate
15:02 Mikel (stylistfrank) Larkylouz tu peux me le donner?
15:02 Larkylouz I will try to help you, Mikel.
15:02 Wordsmith Jarvinen Q & A is short for question and answer. We answer questions about Oxbridge and Second Life at this time.
15:02 Larkylouz oui
15:02 Mikel (stylistfrank) Please Someone I need a TRanslator please
15:03 Tali Rosca Does anybody have a working translator they can drop Mikel? -I haven't tested the ones I have forever, so I don't want to drop an outdated one and have it not working.
15:03 Larkylouz I just gave him one.
15:03 Josain Zsun I just did
15:04 Tali Rosca Great, thanks.
15:04 Mikel (stylistfrank) ok
15:04 Mikel (stylistfrank) ok
15:04 Mikel (stylistfrank) THX
15:04 Mikel (stylistfrank) it work?
15:05 Tali Rosca Do we have any questions tonight? Or is SL *all* quiet these days?
15:05 Marion Questi While we're waiting for a question, I would like to make an announcement.
15:05 Mikel (stylistfrank) Oui
15:05 Larkylouz I have questions. Give me a few moments, please.
15:05 Marion Questi To night I would like to make official my retirement as Dean of Engines.
15:05 Mikel (stylistfrank) i have a question
15:05 Martini Discovolante awwww.
15:05 Tali Rosca Uh-oh.
15:05 Gronk Seriman Oh wow!
15:05 Ravelli Ormstein oh, bad news
15:05 Larkylouz We will Miss you, Dean Questi!
15:05 Marion Questi Dean Rosca is my very capable replacement.
15:06 Wordsmith Jarvinen You shall be missed, Marion, both for your abilities and for yourself.
15:06 Mikel (stylistfrank) i have a question
15:06 Marion Questi Thank you you are very kind
15:06 Martini Discovolante we will most certainly miss you!
15:06 Marion Questi But I'm not going away.
15:06 Mikel (stylistfrank) i have a question
15:06 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) *throws a bottle of sima to Dean Järvinen*
15:06 Martini Discovolante :D
15:06 Mikel (stylistfrank) heyyy
15:06 Marion Questi I will still be around to look after the Quest.
15:06 Wordsmith Jarvinen Catches said bottle.
15:06 Mikel (stylistfrank) anybody upp
15:07 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Okay, we can direct all questions about the Linden Tree to you, then :-)
15:07 Marion Questi grins
15:07 Mikel (stylistfrank) ok
15:07 Tali Rosca Well, then, it was not a *surprise*. It has been in the cards for a while.
15:08 Wordsmith Jarvinen That you for your service, Marion, and congratulations on your escape. ;)
15:08 Marion Questi Condole yourselves with the knowledge that my replacement is more able than I.
15:08 Mikel (stylistfrank) Can i Ask A question?
15:08 Tali Rosca Mikel, what is the question?
15:08 Martini Discovolante certainly Mr Frank
15:08 Mikel (stylistfrank) How Can I Earn L$
15:08 Mikel (stylistfrank) ?
15:08 Larkylouz There is no doubt that Tali is very able and friendly to boot, but we like both of you!
15:09 Larkylouz ;^p
15:09 Martini Discovolante look in your SEARCH for the Classifieds
15:09 Mikel (stylistfrank) whispers How CAn i Earn L$?
15:09 Tali Rosca That is quite a topic in itself. At the core, you earn L$ by creating and selling things people want to buy, so you need a fair bit of practice.
15:09 Martini Discovolante but like Real alife, no skills = low pay
15:09 Wordsmith Jarvinen Many just buy $L on the exchange.
15:09 Mikel (stylistfrank) Can i Win L$ With JOB?
15:09 Tali Rosca Remember, L$ represents real money, so earning them is a real job.
15:10 Larkylouz wishes Dean Questi well in his retirement.
15:10 Martini Discovolante it will cost you more to run your computer than you will make at teh usual SL job.
15:10 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) they give classes here mikel, there is a schedule on the wall
15:10 Wordsmith Jarvinen Not effectively. The only real economy here is artisan. Unlike games, you do not need food or shelter simply to survive.
15:10 Mikel (stylistfrank) What WLL?
15:10 Tali Rosca Many people simply buy L$, rather than make a business.
15:10 Mikel (stylistfrank) What WALL?
15:11 Wordsmith Jarvinen Although, with the holidays, the schedule will be spotty.
15:11 Larkylouz Resident Les classes sont également sur le site. Je vais vous donner l'URL
15:11 Martini Discovolante oh, yes.. christmas and new years.
15:12 Mikel (stylistfrank) what is that?
15:12 Larkylouz http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/class_schedule.php
15:12 Tali Rosca You can also see the class schedule.... where Larky just wrote a link. :-)
15:12 Larkylouz Resident Quel est ce?
15:13 Tali Rosca While Halloween is traditionally the crazy SL holiday, things are generally quiet over Christmas.
15:14 Tali Rosca And as I mentioned last QA, we're also in the "no change" window from LL.
15:14 Tali Rosca -Which includes them asking TPV developers to not release new versions wither.
15:14 Tali Rosca *either
15:15 Mikel (stylistfrank) Tali?
15:15 Tali Rosca Yes?
15:15 Mikel (stylistfrank) can we be friends please?
15:16 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) i have a question
15:16 Tali Rosca Yes, Ammy?
15:16 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) what do you see in the future for SL
15:16 Ian (ianmcbeau) I'm terribly sorry I'm late.
15:16 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) do you thinnk it will become popular again, more than it was before?
15:16 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) or just kind of wane
15:17 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) i guess thats kind of an open question
15:17 Larkylouz Mr. Mikel, I want to point out that there are two windows here. The IM window is for private conversations between you and whomever you are talking to. The Nearby Chat window can be heard by anyone within 20 meters.
15:17 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Time will tell
15:18 Tali Rosca It's a pretty wide question, really. No, personally, I don't think we'll see any big resurgence in SL specifically, as-is.
15:18 Ravelli Ormstein that is difficult to answer. it depends on the future development, other virtual world and which trends the user will follow.
15:18 Tali Rosca SL has been running more or less stable for a very long time, with minor variations, and there's little indicating that trend should change.
15:18 Marion Questi I don't think SL will disappear any time soon. I also think it faces some challenges.
15:18 Wordsmith Jarvinen They do keep adding to the capabilities. But other platforms also keep developing at substantially lower land price.
15:19 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) what are the biggest changes happening to the game right now?
15:20 Mikel (stylistfrank) je ne sais pas
15:20 StylistFrank Resident I do not know
15:20 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) or i guess any really big news
15:20 Tali Rosca The *visible* changes are the ever-evolving technology.
15:20 Tali Rosca SL *has* taking quite big strides, despite what many people say.
15:20 Gronk Seriman Well, there's the Elephant in the Room.....
15:20 Ravelli Ormstein eventually one day we will be able to teleport between different virtual worlds, keeping our avatar with our virtual inventory. so it will be like one big virtual world one day, instead of many small ones.
15:21 Tali Rosca The *biggest* changes we can only guess at, from some of the allusions.
15:21 Wordsmith Jarvinen They added mesh, then materials, then recently officially adopted a means of fitting mesh clothing to the avatar.
15:21 Tali Rosca The integration of Desura, and the needed changes to the ToS hints at *some* future plans to merge various sources of content.
15:21 Wordsmith Jarvinen And added centralized avatar texture baking, also.
15:21 Tali Rosca But that is only speculation.
15:22 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) im surprised there isnt more integration with social media and networking sites
15:22 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) i htought that would be like a big thing
15:22 Tali Rosca They did the Facebook integration recently, but I don't think that really has taken off.
15:22 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Well, LL's integration with FAcebook is, shall we say, detested in some circle.s
15:23 Tali Rosca I think LL attempted to "do their own thing" for a long while, with the profile feeds.
15:23 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) well theres always a crowd who wants to keep it underground
15:23 Mikel (stylistfrank) i'll go now to continue my tour bye
15:23 Tali Rosca What I don't understand is why they stopped at Facebook, and didn't just throw in all the big social networks while they were at it.
15:23 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) thats what i though ttoo
15:24 Wordsmith Jarvinen What or who one is in SL is not necessarily the same as in the outside world. A division that LL created that now acts as an impediment to integration.
15:24 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) i havent really been on SL since 2010 but i never played it much then anyway
15:25 Gronk Seriman It's hard! Social networking is quick text flinging about. SL is an immersive world. You can't run an avatar on a cell phone.
15:25 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) i guess what im getting at is i see all these pictures and talk of people in classrooms and business meetings doing stuff and it really tickles my inner geek but when i come on its all just really weird
15:25 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) *knowsn some people who do use their avatars with a cell phone*
15:25 Tali Rosca whispers Indeed. There is very little direct overlap. But that doesn't prevent you from using social networks *about
15:25 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) this is like a safe haven, thank god
15:25 Martini Discovolante tho Lumiya is not bad.
15:25 Ravelli Ormstein SL might stay for some more years, and perhaps one far day been bought up by someone who joins SL with another VW to a bigger one.
15:25 Tali Rosca *about* SL
15:26 Mikel (stylistfrank) i have a question
15:26 Tali Rosca The big question, as I see it, is whether SL will slowly morph into something else, or simply disappear some day.
15:27 Mikel (stylistfrank) i have a question
15:27 Larkylouz And, SL does have an integration with Facebook, if that is what someone wants.
15:27 Wordsmith Jarvinen LIkely, yes.
15:27 Mikel (stylistfrank) i have a question
15:27 Larkylouz Resident Oui, M. Mikel, mais vous devez attendre votre tour.
15:27 Tali Rosca Yes, Mikel?
15:27 Mikel (stylistfrank) ok
15:27 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) i like telling people its like world of warcraft but without the warcraft... i guess thats the way i like to see it too
15:27 Martini Discovolante have a seat and wait your turn, Mr Mikel
15:27 Mikel (stylistfrank) what is a griefer
15:27 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) i never rly played that though
15:27 Mikel (stylistfrank) what is a griefer
15:27 Tali Rosca A "griefer" is a person who takes enjoyment from annoying other people.
15:28 Wordsmith Jarvinen A griefer is someone who sets out to make your experience in SL temporarily unpleasant.
15:28 Mikel (stylistfrank) i didn't understand
15:28 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) the irony is palpable....
15:28 Martini Discovolante gets a knife
15:28 Gronk Seriman snickers
15:28 Tali Rosca There has always been some thought/dream about SL slowly expanding and encompassing more and more of the "Internet space".
15:28 Wordsmith Jarvinen Because seeing others react to what they do amuses them.
15:29 Larkylouz Resident Sécurité Avatar\n\nHeure: samedi 12h00 SLT\nInstructeur: Lindal Kidd\n\nMême dans un monde virtuel, il ya des choses qui font mal. Introduction à la sécurité Avatar couvre les bases de la protection de soi-même dans Second Life. Cette classe couvre la protection des renseignements personnels, les stratégies pour faire face aux fauteurs de trouble, les rapports de l'abus et escroqueries les plus courantes - ainsi que d'autres sources d'information et quelques outils pour vous aider à garder Deuxième expérience de vie sécuritaire.
15:29 Mikel (stylistfrank) whats is a scammer?
15:29 Tali Rosca I can see a possibility of various content sites and virtual worlds slowly standardizing and merging.
15:29 Martini Discovolante thief
15:29 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) griefer is a state of mind, whether or not one is actively griefing is irrelevent
15:29 Larkylouz Resident Ce sont tous des mots pour les gens qui font du mal.
15:29 Mikel (stylistfrank) what is a noob?
15:30 Martini Discovolante a new person.
15:30 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Well, if somebody intentionally tries to crash a region or blow up the people there, it is hardly a state of mind
15:30 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Unless one consider de facotr virtual vandalism just a state of mind.
15:30 Martini Discovolante a particularly inexperienced new person.
15:31 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) the line is so so blurry when it comes to innocence
15:31 Mikel (stylistfrank) When we finish the reunion?
15:31 Martini Discovolante 4pm slt
15:31 Martini Discovolante 16:00 slt
15:31 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Griefers usually do not get the message the first time. Experimenters usually do.
15:31 Martini Discovolante teh clock is in the upper right of your screen
15:31 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) well i meant that even if you are not actively trying to upset people, you may well be doing so via your personality
15:32 Mikel (stylistfrank) 3:32 PM
15:32 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Then one must be selective in their company
15:32 Gronk Seriman There is a difference between a griefer and an idiot.
15:32 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) Yes
15:32 Larkylouz SL is a good place to learn patience and become used to a wide variety of people.
15:33 Larkylouz speaks from experience.
15:33 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) thats basically the bush i was beating around, gronk
15:33 Wordsmith Jarvinen It can also be said that some have the opportunity in SL to learn the social skills not yet learned in the outer world.
15:33 Gronk Seriman No doubt! heehee
15:33 Tali Rosca Let us keep things focused.
15:33 Mikel (stylistfrank) But if Someone Have A Slow net He Will not play anymore like me LOL
15:33 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) this is true
15:33 Ravelli Ormstein well said, Larky!
15:34 Larkylouz I would like to ask a question when we are ready to change the subject.
15:34 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) mikel it is much mor elikely a graphics issue than network
15:34 Larkylouz :^)
15:34 Tali Rosca I think we are.
15:34 Mikel (stylistfrank) LOL'
15:34 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) sorry :x
15:34 Larkylouz I wonder if I could get a clarification of auto-return times in the area (COU and the village), please.
15:34 Mikel (stylistfrank) can i do a colour circle?
15:35 Larkylouz Resident A l'extérieur, M. Mikel, en dehors
15:35 Mikel (stylistfrank) ok
15:35 Larkylouz thank you
15:35 Ravelli Ormstein the times are set to 5 or 15 minutes, any problems recently?
15:35 Tali Rosca Good question, actually. These are the numbers I remember. Correct me if I am wrong:
15:35 Wordsmith Jarvinen It varies with the parcel. In this parcel it's 3 hours.
15:35 Tali Rosca 5 minutes on pathways. 3 hours in the sandbox.
15:36 Tali Rosca 3 hours here in the classroom, to allow for rezzing during class.
15:36 Tali Rosca In theory the chat circle is the Village is 5 minutes too, but some experiments have been taking place lately, so it may be different right now.
15:36 Larkylouz Well, I am just trying to learn when it is worth worrying about it, and whne not. I think I heard that in the dressing room(?) it is longer for members of COUG? And it is the varieties you are mentioning that I was after.
15:36 Martini Discovolante but should you notice anything tooo out of line ,Larky, let me know.... when Des changes land, combining or re distributing parcels, it will get set back to 0
15:36 Adrian (adriancygnus) What is rezzing?
15:36 Mikel (stylistfrank) can i do a magic circle outside?
15:37 Tali Rosca "Rezzing" is creating an object.
15:37 Larkylouz Resident Vous devez aller à la sandbox pour ce genre de jeu, Mikel.
15:37 Tali Rosca It's a slang term originating from the movie Tron.
15:37 Adrian (adriancygnus) OK
15:37 Wordsmith Jarvinen Or dragging an object from inventory in the "resolved" world of SL.
15:38 Tali Rosca Actually, I am not sure if Tron ever used "Rez", or only "De-rez" as a term for being deleted.
15:38 Ravelli Ormstein i think the chat circle in the village is set to 15 minutes. some days back i had to return 180 prims there, left from multiple residents and back from july
15:38 Wordsmith Jarvinen Spell that rezolved and you get the source of the term.
15:38 Tali Rosca As for the dressing rooms, I am not sure if they are actually *group owned* land.
15:38 Martini Discovolante i will try to check it after the meeting, Larky
15:39 Tali Rosca If so, anything rezzed with that group will not be deleted at all.
15:39 Martini Discovolante the dressing rooms are ... COUG group owns that parcel
15:39 Tali Rosca Then autoreturn cannot touch things rezzed under that group tag, which is why we sometimes see clutter there.
15:39 Larkylouz Thanks, Martini. Yes, Tali. Often items sit in the village dressing rooms for days until I work up the courage to bother someone to remove them.
15:40 Martini Discovolante and i do beleive that that is turned off in the abilities of "scholar" roles in the group.
15:40 Tali Rosca Isn't that an unchangeable standard? Autoreturn never returns group items?
15:40 Ravelli Ormstein yep
15:40 Larkylouz Thank you for the clarifications.
15:41 Gronk Seriman How is that sorted? Do you need to be wearing the group when you rez the item? Or simply be in the group?
15:41 Tali Rosca If you wear the group tag while rezzing things, they will be rezzed under that name.
15:41 Gronk Seriman Ah! Thank you.
15:42 Wordsmith Jarvinen That depends on the viewer. For the LL ones you need to be wearing the tab or reset the group after rezzing something.
15:42 Tali Rosca Alternately, you can change the group of an existing object in the build dialog.
15:42 Larkylouz Also, I overheard a conversation that gave me the impression I should be very careful about sending chat transcripts to people inworld. Perhaps that that is a bootable offense?
15:42 Tali Rosca Some viewers have an "rez items under land group if possible" option.
15:42 Larkylouz So, Tali, *I* could change someone elses's possession to a group that I have return privileges in?
15:42 Larkylouz likes to daydream.
15:43 Tali Rosca No. It's editing the object, with all the normal permissions for that.
15:43 Mikel (stylistfrank) hey who let me do the colour circle out?
15:43 Larkylouz Okay.
15:43 Tali Rosca As for transcripts, yes, IMs are considered confidential communication and should not be shared.
15:43 Larkylouz Resident M. Mikel, je vais vous montrer le bac à sable. Vous pouvez jouer au contenu de votre coeur là-haut.
15:44 Tali Rosca That is under the "do not share private information" clause.
15:44 Wordsmith Jarvinen However, a day may come in which we provide you with litter collection powers....
15:44 Larkylouz I was speaking more of class transcripts sent to another member of the class, or transcripts of NC sent to Deans for documentation. I would not share an IM.
15:44 Tali Rosca I'd say that if things are said in open chat or public groups, it is considered public.
15:45 Larkylouz Resident Une clause est une partie d'un document.
15:45 Martini Discovolante indeed
15:45 Tali Rosca Obviously, there are edge cases, because sometimes you do need to refer what somebody else has said.
15:46 Wordsmith Jarvinen You always CAN provide a transcript in an AR to LL.
15:46 Larkylouz I'll be reight back. I told Mikel I'd take him to the sandbox.
15:46 Wordsmith Jarvinen chortles.
15:46 Martini Discovolante :)
15:46 Martini Discovolante if he can go to am Mrated region
15:46 Gronk Seriman ooOOooooo!
15:47 Tali Rosca is amazed at and grateful for that patience.
15:48 Martini Discovolante he seemed ot no be able to TP to the sandbox
15:48 Ravelli Ormstein in-front of the Lecture Hall, there was a particle generator massively generating colored bubbles.... i didn't found out who owned the object
15:48 Gronk Seriman When?
15:48 Ravelli Ormstein ah, 5 minutes back
15:48 Wordsmith Jarvinen A few minutes ago.
15:49 Tali Rosca Just now. Pretty sure it was Mikel's, given how he talked about "magic circles".
15:49 Martini Discovolante he wanted to make a pink circle... i am only guessing here
15:49 Ravelli Ormstein yes
15:49 Gronk Seriman bites her tongue.
15:50 Ammy Coba (amaterasu.coba) lol i pointed him to NRS and told him they coul dshow him how to make $L
15:50 Ravelli Ormstein but particles and the long covenant both made my viewer lagging, so the window with the objects list opened too late
15:50 Tali Rosca Well, at least we have the 5-minute autoreturn here :-)
15:50 Wordsmith Jarvinen Other questions?
15:50 Tali Rosca That usually takes care of things without having to run around and hunt them down.
15:52 Tali Rosca We have a bit of time left still.
15:53 Gronk Seriman Class Schedule is current?
15:53 Wordsmith Jarvinen Not completely.
15:53 Tali Rosca I strongly suspect Tuesday/Wednesday is overly optimistic.
15:54 Gronk Seriman Wednesday classes are as shown, considering Christmas and New Year?
15:54 Wordsmith Jarvinen I'll likely update it inworld tomorrow, which currently means runnning out somewhere..
15:54 Tali Rosca Do you know what the updates are?
15:54 Wordsmith Jarvinen In fact, if you are accessing internet via AT&T land lines, I'm pretty sure you can't access the website.
15:55 Martini Discovolante yes, i nee to put tuesdayin events, if Serra si teaching
15:55 Wordsmith Jarvinen Cancelations.
15:55 Tali Rosca "Nothing going on Wednesday"?
15:55 Wordsmith Jarvinen Right, and a holiday stripe inworld.
15:55 Wordsmith Jarvinen and Samm is canceling her class this week and next.
15:56 Larkylouz Do the scripting office hour classes take place here?
15:56 Ravelli Ormstein so we can use the quiet days for writing down our questions for the classes in the new year :-)
15:56 Wordsmith Jarvinen Yes.
15:57 Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) :-)
15:57 Tali Rosca We should make a "The Deans ask questions to the audience" event one day.
15:57 Gronk Seriman ...or finally writing our class proposals for the new year.
15:57 Wordsmith Jarvinen Although Zen Wormser is a bit mercurial.
15:57 Ravelli Ormstein good idea, Tali!
15:58 Tali Rosca Anyway, let us say that's it for today.
15:58 Gronk Seriman "
15:58 Ravelli Ormstein ok, yes
15:58 Tali Rosca Thanks for coming.
15:58 Gronk Seriman "That's it for today!"
15:58 Martini Discovolante thanks all!
15:59 Ravelli Ormstein many thanks all for being here today
15:59 Wordsmith Jarvinen Thanks you all.
15:59 Adrian (adriancygnus) Thank you.
15:59 Gronk Seriman Thank you, Deans!
15:59 Tali Rosca A slightly random session tonight.