| 15:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It is 3Pm; The designated and official start time. |
| 15:02 |
Gronk Seriman |
Roll tape. |
| 15:02 |
Meora (menchor) |
Has anyone tried the facebook integration in the LL vierere |
| 15:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
No accouncements in the group |
| 15:02 |
Meora (menchor) |
viewer |
| 15:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Our individual responsibilities and prior QnA transcripts are at http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/qna_index.php |
| 15:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I've not tried the FB sharing. I notice they have the link for that on login. |
| 15:05 |
Tali Rosca |
So, what is today's topic? Any questions? |
| 15:06 |
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Morpho (morpho65) raises his hand |
| 15:06 |
Morpho (morpho65) |
There seems to be talk of some SIMs here closing... |
| 15:06 |
Morpho (morpho65) |
any info on that? |
| 15:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
Des tells everyone in the ISC. what is going on. |
| 15:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The Guv did say that likely two would go the other night. Specifics TBD. |
| 15:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
we have no knowledge other than what he shares with everyone |
| 15:07 |
Tali Rosca |
Desmond is continuously adjusting land to demand and supply. Caledon has shrunk and re-expanded before, and I expect it will again. |
| 15:07 |
Morpho (morpho65) |
ok, just wondered which the other two might be.. |
| 15:08 |
Larkylouz |
I was in a chat where Des announced that Connaught was slated to disappear. |
| 15:08 |
Larkylouz Resident |
Eu estava em um bate-papo onde Des anunciou que Connaught foi escalado para desaparecer. |
| 15:08 |
Tali Rosca |
Best guess is some of the outlying homesteads being consolidated. |
| 15:08 |
Martini Discovolante |
it you were to be directly impacted, i bet you would be the first to know |
| 15:08 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
To my knowledge he hasn't said yet. He generally tries to adjust people involved rather than just doing it. |
| 15:08 |
Larkylouz |
Yes, he said any changes would be several weeks out. |
| 15:09 |
Tali Rosca |
Connaught disappearing fits well with that. |
| 15:10 |
Morpho (morpho65) |
I totally understand the changing landscape..if you look at maps of Caledon, SIMs do come and go...but I suppose it is natural, if you have a home here, to be a little unsettled when talk of SIM going is raised, and yet have no idea which are likely.. |
| 15:10 |
Tali Rosca |
If I were to guess, based on looking around (and I must underscore that this is purely me guessing, without any information), I'd say some of the "outlying" residents will be moved into, say, the Village. |
| 15:11 |
Meora (menchor) |
Doesn't Des usually relocate everyone first? |
| 15:11 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Generally it involves moving people in a sim elsewhere. Moving a former homestead's location. Letting go what is then unihabited. |
| 15:11 |
Martini Discovolante |
yes . he is very careful about that |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
He does. That's the puzzle he needs to solve, so he can see which persons can move where. |
| 15:11 |
Tali Rosca |
He's always in contact with those moving. |
| 15:12 |
Tali Rosca |
So land will not suddenly disappear under the feet of anybody. |
| 15:12 |
Meora (menchor) |
or if it does blame LL |
| 15:12 |
Meora (menchor) |
lol |
| 15:12 |
Tali Rosca |
Ok, but that is usually temporary :-) |
| 15:13 |
Morpho (morpho65) |
I wasn't meaning to imply that; I know Des is the epitome of correctness and fairness... |
| 15:13 |
Morpho (morpho65) |
just seems to have got people a bit jittery and twitchy... |
| 15:13 |
Martini Discovolante |
it is a huge responsibility.. and he does not act lightly.... but think about it a full sim is over US$300/mo, a honestead, 100.. i have to respect his responsibility and love the fact that he wants us all here and held together |
| 15:13 |
Tali Rosca |
If he has mentioned names, as Larky says, then he has been in contact with the people in those sims. |
| 15:14 |
Martini Discovolante |
they shoudl just have a little laudanum nad relax..... |
| 15:14 |
Morpho (morpho65) |
I agree, Dean! |
| 15:14 |
Tali Rosca |
He may still need to shuffle other people around to make room, so everybody get the land they most like. |
| 15:14 |
Morpho (morpho65) |
just thought I'd see if I could get a snippet from you lot... |
| 15:14 |
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Morpho (morpho65) grins |
| 15:15 |
Larkylouz |
He specifically stated that nothing would change until he had time to relocatee people and so forth. He also stated that he is very busy with RL, so that will affect the length of time it will take him to make any changes. |
| 15:15 |
Martini Discovolante |
cause the alternative to Caledon..... is NOT Caledon! |
| 15:15 |
Tali Rosca |
Often, such restructuring is an opportunity for people to adjust the amount of land they hold, too. |
| 15:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Desmond Shang: I've had some homestead cutbacks, and a couple of regions worth of land let go in the last month or so |
| 15:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Desmond Shang: here's basically what has to happen |
| 15:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Desmond Shang: a) I'll have to 'downgrade' a couple standard regions to homestead, then, |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Desmond Shang: b) have someone who already has a homestead take it over, after I move the residents off elsewhere |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Desmond Shang: anything else, we'll lose more than a couple regions. |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Desmond Shang: as for 'where' and which ones, and all that... not sure yet. |
| 15:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That was on 10/3 |
| 15:17 |
Tali Rosca |
You whispered the first sentence, so not all may have heard it, but it was, "Desmond Shang: I've had some homestead cutbacks, and a couple of regions worth of land let go in the last month or so" |
| 15:18 |
Larkylouz |
TY,Dean Tali |
| 15:18 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Ahh. Thanks Tali. |
| 15:18 |
Morpho (morpho65) |
Ok, thank you Deans.... |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
Basically: There are vacant lots, so land will have to be consolidated to "pack" things together. |
| 15:18 |
Tali Rosca |
Otherwise, we're just paying for empty sims. |
| 15:19 |
Martini Discovolante |
Morpho, if anyone is having a doody about it.. reassure them that if it impacts them they will be on the inside track, and among the first to know |
| 15:19 |
Tali Rosca |
The area people pay for is, well, paid for, so it'll not disappear, though it may have to be moved into one of those empty spots. |
| 15:19 |
Gronk Seriman |
Sounds a lot like Detroit. |
| 15:19 |
Larkylouz |
He also mentioned several ways of downgrading sims (to Homestead, to open land, etc) to save money. |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
The village could go homestead, or it could be populated by people from the outskirts, for example. |
| 15:20 |
Tali Rosca |
(ISTR the village is one of the problematic spots currently, being less than full. Correct me if I am wrong) |
| 15:20 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Some of the moving involves keeping Caledon continuous, so you can get there from here without TPing. |
| 15:21 |
Foix |
The Village has 30+ people when the musician's collective has an event. |
| 15:21 |
Martini Discovolante |
they moved. |
| 15:21 |
Foix |
Oh. |
| 15:22 |
Tali Rosca |
But again: It's really business as usual. Caledon - the outskirts in particular - waxes and wanes. |
| 15:22 |
Martini Discovolante |
if they still rented all that land, the Village would not be an issue. |
| 15:23 |
Gronk Seriman |
The whole thingy up in the air over the Village is gone. |
| 15:23 |
Tali Rosca |
I think Caledon is actually fairly big currently, historically. |
| 15:24 |
Foix |
Does des generally charge the same rent per prim whether homestead or full sim? |
| 15:24 |
Larkylouz |
Ms. Gronk, please explain yourself. I do not understand technical terminology like 'thingy'. |
| 15:24 |
Larkylouz |
;^) |
| 15:24 |
Martini Discovolante |
yes. |
| 15:25 |
Foix |
This thingy was flat and high and had music venu8es. |
| 15:25 |
Larkylouz |
Oh, 'The Edge'? |
| 15:25 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
The skybox club? |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
The homesteads are primarily rented to single persons as duchies. |
| 15:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Homesteads have a preset prim limit -- 3750. |
| 15:25 |
Tali Rosca |
I have actually never compared prices directly. |
| 15:25 |
Martini Discovolante |
the only difference in price per prim if you will is that fany land that is abandoned has a slightly higher rate than originally charged when the sim was made |
| 15:26 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But are a full 256x256 m^2 |
| 15:26 |
Martini Discovolante |
so land continuously occupied is cheaper |
| 15:26 |
Foix |
Like rent control? |
| 15:27 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Parcels are often double prim, because the commonwealth land on the sims don't use many prims. |
| 15:27 |
Tali Rosca |
Which is sort of the inverse of homesteads, which has less prim spread out over the same area. |
| 15:28 |
Martini Discovolante |
homesteads may be divided uopp in different ways.. for example, when i made Roccabrannagh, i made larger parcels, so everyone had a cove, but they pai more or less by how many prims they got, comparing to reg Caledon. |
| 15:29 |
Martini Discovolante |
rather than give more acreage to Commonwealth land. |
| 15:30 |
Martini Discovolante |
i usually MUCH prefer smaller land with more prims,and commonwealth space on a sim...i makes a much better place to live |
| 15:32 |
Gronk Seriman |
As a renter what happens when you exceed your prim limits? |
| 15:32 |
Martini Discovolante |
it* |
| 15:32 |
Martini Discovolante |
you just can't rezz anymore |
| 15:32 |
Tali Rosca |
You just can't rez. |
| 15:32 |
Gronk Seriman |
Ah. |
| 15:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Since you rent by the parcel and each parcel has a prim allotment. |
| 15:33 |
Gronk Seriman |
I didn't know if there was a warning or something. |
| 15:33 |
Martini Discovolante |
same on mainland. |
| 15:33 |
Martini Discovolante |
the only places you CAN go over are sublets |
| 15:34 |
Martini Discovolante |
and then usually your landlord will simply return stuff. |
| 15:34 |
Martini Discovolante |
or if they are sweethearts send you a notice |
| 15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
I have seen some misconfigured sims where the prim bonus allowed for more than the entire sim can hold. |
| 15:35 |
Tali Rosca |
That... gets twitchy, as things are returned pretty much randomly by the system. |
| 15:36 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Also, if you own more than one parcel on a sim, you can use that total allotment on either, as I recall. |
| 15:36 |
Meora (menchor) |
yes |
| 15:36 |
Gronk Seriman |
So the landlord does the math, and divides the available prims for the parcels, and it's an automatic limit at the parcel level? |
| 15:36 |
Tali Rosca |
Each parcel starts out having a prim allotment directly proportional to the area. |
| 15:36 |
Tali Rosca |
Out of the sim's 15000 prims. |
| 15:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes. Or more precisely an allotment to the parcels you own on the sim. |
| 15:37 |
Martini Discovolante |
when dividing up a sim into parcels, you can add a multiplier to the parcel |
| 15:37 |
Martini Discovolante |
@x, 4X, etc. |
| 15:37 |
Tali Rosca |
The landlord can then tweak each parcel to have a bonus factor to allow more, but yes, he needs to do the math and make sure there are empty parcels elsewhere to "borrow" the prims from. |
| 15:38 |
Martini Discovolante |
it was a quite the effective marketing tool. |
| 15:38 |
Tali Rosca |
Otherwise, the sim gets testy and decide to do its own thing. |
| 15:38 |
Martini Discovolante |
but in the long run, you pay for primmage |
| 15:38 |
Tali Rosca |
It is quite common to have rented parcels have a bonus factor, and then some parks and pathways with less prims. |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
This is exactly the setup we have with commonwealth land here in Caledon. |
| 15:39 |
Gronk Seriman |
As a renter, is there a prim counter somewhere you can check? |
| 15:39 |
Tali Rosca |
It gives people more prims to work with, and reserves some areas for "mood pieces", so it's typically a win-win. |
| 15:39 |
Martini Discovolante |
ABOUT LAND |
| 15:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Under the Objects tab. |
| 15:40 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
There are some prim-counter items as well. |
| 15:40 |
Gronk Seriman |
Ah! Since I've been a homeless bum all my life here, these are things I don't know! |
| 15:40 |
Tali Rosca |
World/About land |
| 15:40 |
Martini Discovolante |
we do have a land class on Fridays, with Prof Kidd. |
| 15:41 |
Tali Rosca |
And as Wordsmith mentioned, if you own several disjoint parcels in the same sim, they all pool the prim allowance, so you can use them where you want. |
| 15:41 |
Tali Rosca |
This is only inside the sim, though; not across sim borders. |
| 15:42 |
Gronk Seriman |
Understood. |
| 15:42 |
Tali Rosca |
-It is not uncommon on mainland for people to buy "prim farms"; irregular areas, say near coast or roads, just to have a few more prims to use on their "primary" parcel. |
| 15:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Or, given that motivation, prim-ary parcel. |
| 15:43 |
Tali Rosca |
http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=drumroll |
| 15:44 |
Tali Rosca |
http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot |
| 15:44 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Touche. |
| 15:46 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Another question? |
| 15:46 |
Foix |
An SL question, rather than Caledon/Oxbridge specific: I'm curious about bots (avatars without human typists). I've read in some group chat that bots are TOS-kosher, as long as they are 'registered' as bots with LL. Is that info correct? |
| 15:47 |
Tali Rosca |
It is. You can identify an account as "Bot". |
| 15:47 |
Tali Rosca |
It is related to, but not directly the same as, the policy against traffic gaming for popularity. |
| 15:47 |
Meora (menchor) |
do bots count against traffic? |
| 15:47 |
Larkylouz |
But it is not possible for me to tell that the account is bot, yes? |
| 15:48 |
Tali Rosca |
There is not direct way to see if an account is a bot, no. |
| 15:48 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Some storeowners use bot accounts as store mannequins. And label them as so, so that people do no try to speak with them |
| 15:48 |
Tali Rosca |
I *think* they do not count as traffic. The idea is that you can have... as Elfbiter says, store mannequins without being accused of trying to game the traffic. |
| 15:49 |
Gronk Seriman |
The janitor up in the Sandbox is not very talkative, I discovered. |
| 15:49 |
Tali Rosca |
They do not automatically show up tagged as bots, though; you'll have to do that yourself with a group title or similar. |
| 15:49 |
Tali Rosca |
The Guardian is, indeed, a bot. |
| 15:49 |
Meora (menchor) |
is it possible to AR a group of bots? |
| 15:49 |
Meora (menchor) |
being used to generate traffic |
| 15:50 |
Tali Rosca |
If they are there for traffic gaming, or otherwise impair the performance of the sim, then yes, it is a violation. |
| 15:50 |
Foix |
"Harmless-light-Legal |
| 15:51 |
Meora (menchor) |
we have one of those on the LL water sim next door on mainland |
| 15:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Tali, I'm forgetting the software used to program some of those... |
| 15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
I think there even is a dedicated "Traffic gaming" category for ARs. |
| 15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
Many bots use... libmetaverse, I think it is. A C# API for interfacing with the sim. |
| 15:52 |
Tali Rosca |
libopenmetaverse |
| 15:53 |
Tali Rosca |
The METAbolt client is built on top of that, and is in itself fairly open to scriptable plugins. |
| 15:53 |
Tali Rosca |
So many use that to run bots. |
| 15:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes. It was METAbolt I was recalling. |
| 15:54 |
Tali Rosca |
METAbolt is a full, usable client, though. |
| 15:54 |
Tali Rosca |
Non-graphical. |
| 15:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
SL also has a bot software comparison page. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Second_Life_bot_software_comparison |
| 15:55 |
Tali Rosca |
Many offer commercial systems to run the bots for you. |
| 15:55 |
Tali Rosca |
So you don't have to have your own machine running 24/7. |
| 15:56 |
Tali Rosca |
So yes, bots are kosher, as long as you don't use them to trick the system. They are just another tool. |
| 15:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Time for one last quick question. |
| 15:58 |
Larkylouz |
Dean Martini, I remember seeing a sign mentioning a clothing office hours sort of thing. Is that happening on a regular basis? |
| 15:58 |
Martini Discovolante |
no, we do not have those any more |
| 15:59 |
Martini Discovolante |
not enough interested attendees. |
| 15:59 |
Larkylouz |
TY. I'm sorry I missed it. |
| 15:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Perhaps if an interested group was rounded up .... a special seminar? |
| 15:59 |
Martini Discovolante |
i am not sure where that info would be still up... do you remember where you saw it? |
| 16:00 |
Larkylouz |
Maybe in the Atelier? It was a couple of weeks ago. |
| 16:00 |
Martini Discovolante |
i am happy to help anyone any time, just IM me. if i am not inworld, it will go to my gmail, and i will be happy to help soon as i can. |
| 16:00 |
Martini Discovolante |
there might be a clicky thing up there, i will look into it. |
| 16:00 |
Tali Rosca |
Actually, doing one-off seminars could be an idea. |
| 16:01 |
Tali Rosca |
For various topics. |
| 16:01 |
Martini Discovolante |
also... if you get stuck ,making clothes, or anythign for that mattter, the best mkinds in SL are lurking in the Scholars Group chat! :) |
| 16:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I've often thought of having a symposium just for such things. |
| 16:01 |
Tali Rosca |
Obviously, they would be rather informal, so a single lecturer didn't have to prepare a lot for a single event. |
| 16:01 |
Tali Rosca |
But it may be an idea worth thinking about. |
| 16:02 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Probably best announced beforehand days before the event.. |
| 16:02 |
Martini Discovolante |
in SL events, and on the calendar |
| 16:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Nods... |
| 16:02 |
Tali Rosca |
Just musing here, but perhaps a sort of "open mic" night in the lecture hall. |
| 16:02 |
Tali Rosca |
For somebody to present a topic. |
| 16:02 |
Martini Discovolante |
we really have to vet the discussions. |
| 16:03 |
Martini Discovolante |
at least to some degree. |
| 16:03 |
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Tali Rosca nods. "It should be in keeping with the general purpose of Oxbridge". |
| 16:03 |
Larkylouz |
I would love to have help making clothing fit without using a standard shape. I |
| 16:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And, I'm happy to entertain suggestions for such things.... but want a statement of what's to be taught and student benefits. |
| 16:03 |
Martini Discovolante |
indeed. |
| 16:04 |
Tali Rosca |
Larky, perhaps you could nag somebody into helping you... and then have that person do it in public one evening here. |
| 16:04 |
Tali Rosca |
That could be one way to arrange such single-shot lectures. |
| 16:05 |
Tali Rosca |
(I am just completely brainstorming here) |
| 16:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Or if I had about 8 people wanting to teach a one-shot class every 8 weeks......... |
| 16:05 |
Foix |
Pr. omstead pf pme=sjpts, have lectures presented quarterly. |
| 16:06 |
Martini Discovolante |
?? |
| 16:06 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
? |
| 16:06 |
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Meora (menchor) sees Wendyslippers approach |
| 16:06 |
Foix |
/m4 mus learn to look before hitting enter |
| 16:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Anyway... Running over, so time to adjourn. |
| 16:06 |
Martini Discovolante |
night everyone. |
| 16:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
thanks for coming. |
| 16:07 |
Gronk Seriman |
Thank you, Deans! |
| 16:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thank you all for participating. |
| 16:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
i have to hop off into RL |
| 16:07 |
Meora (menchor) |
another good session |
| 16:07 |
Wendyslippers Charisma |
You play First Life? |
| 16:07 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Bedtime for me. |
| 16:07 |
Foix |
Thank you. |
| 16:07 |
Martini Discovolante |
did everyone get a set of punkins? |