| 14:53 |
lovejoy2199 |
Carl: Is there a forum where I can find info about video cards, and CPUs that work best for SL. At one time, people told me to buy Nvidia and Intel. But with the new items coming out, I don't know if that holds true any longer. Just wondering if there are forums that are chatting about this. |
| 14:59 |
Carl Metropolitan |
A forum? |
| 14:59 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I am sorry. I was afk. |
| 15:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I don't know. I would tend to default to Nvidia at the most powerful you can afford for SL. But the video card will not help much with lag from downloading textures, meshes, etc, though. |
| 15:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay... It is time to start. |
| 15:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Yes, I know I started a bit early answering Lovejoy's question! |
| 15:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Welcome to this Sunday's Oxbridge General Q&A. Andrea and I are here to answer any of your questions about Second Life, Caledon, Oxbridge, Steampunk, Linden Lab, Virtual Worlds, and anything vaguely related to any of the above. |
| 15:01 |
Carl Metropolitan |
If we don't know the answer, we can Google it. In other words, we know where to look, or at least can probably put you in touch with someone who does know the answer. |
| 15:02 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Now that the cutting and pasting is done, Andrea, do you have any announcements? |
| 15:03 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Hi. Nothing today. Been a busy week |
| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay. That's easy :) |
| 15:04 |
Carl Metropolitan |
In SL news, the great cloud migration has begun. |
| 15:05 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Some servers are now operating on the Amazon Web Services cloud. |
| 15:06 |
Catseye Tennen (katsii.tennen) |
Will sims know when they are on the cloud? |
| 15:06 |
lovejoy2199 |
Amazon is huge. And, getting bigger. |
| 15:06 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I have heard reports of an uptick in teleport crashes, but no other issues. Though how we could tell cloud-related issues from general SL weirdness I'm not sure. |
| 15:07 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Fourmilabh has a free gadget in the Marketplace that detects whether the region is in the cloud or not. |
| 15:07 |
Larky (larkylouz) |
I've heard of lots of issues and personally experienced quite a few. Is there some other reason that SL has been wonky the past couple of weeks. |
| 15:07 |
Larky (larkylouz) |
? |
| 15:07 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thank you Elfbiter. Can you paste a link to that? |
| 15:08 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Checking. |
| 15:08 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I don't know Larky. I have not been on much lately, so I'm sure I'm missing a lot of the "fun". |
| 15:08 |
Catseye Tennen (katsii.tennen) |
Hmm... I am experiencing more sudden crashes that bring up the bug splat message. |
| 15:09 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Fourmilab Cloud Halo https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Fourmilab-Cloud-Halo/20555301 |
| 15:09 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thank you. |
| 15:09 |
Larky (larkylouz) |
Teleport issues, lag while dressing... regions looking down on the map but fine when I see them. |
| 15:09 |
lovejoy2199 |
At SL17B, they said it would be a problem through out this year. |
| 15:09 |
Larky (larkylouz) |
I know there have been others, but those are what come to mind. |
| 15:10 |
Larky (larkylouz) |
Lots of MP issues. |
| 15:10 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I am not surprised. It could be synchronization issues with the LL hosted servers and Cloud hosted servers. |
| 15:10 |
Catseye Tennen (katsii.tennen) |
Good to know others are experiencing the dressing lag... I thought maybe i had too many outfits... Sigh. |
| 15:10 |
Phrynne |
I've had to relog up to three times just to change saved outfits. |
| 15:11 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I get around that issue by only wearing one outfit, but I'm a guy and can get away with it. |
| 15:12 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
:-) |
| 15:12 |
Carl Metropolitan |
So are you all seeing stuff where you think you have put on something but everyone else does not see it? Or do you try to put on something and it just fails? |
| 15:12 |
Phrynne |
The things that are supposedly being replaced don't go away. |
| 15:13 |
Phrynne |
If I am changing from human to dinkie, I have a short oddly shaped human body sticking out of the dinkie form. |
| 15:13 |
Catseye Tennen (katsii.tennen) |
I have more huge lag between putting something on and it appearing... or sometimes crashing while dressing... and yes... what Phrynne said. |
| 15:13 |
Larky (larkylouz) |
For me, mostly try to wear something and it takes forever to update. either what Phrynne said, or half dressed for eternity. |
| 15:13 |
Phrynne |
at times I have had to TP to Orange, a remote region without lag, in order to finish dressing. |
| 15:13 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thanks. |
| 15:13 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
I have seen cases what looks like alphas not going away... |
| 15:13 |
Catseye Tennen (katsii.tennen) |
I go to Cyclops |
| 15:14 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Does it seem to matter whether there are many people in the sim you are changing clothing in? |
| 15:14 |
Phrynne |
Oh, alphas don't behave either. |
| 15:14 |
Phrynne |
The number of people in the area doesn't make a difference; I seldom have more than 2 or 3 in the region I'm in at home (Chilbo). |
| 15:15 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Interesting. I hope this gets better as the transition to the Cloud goes on |
| 15:16 |
Phrynne |
I just hope it doesn't get worse. It shouldn't take 20 minutes to change an outfit. |
| 15:17 |
Catseye Tennen (katsii.tennen) |
Seriously. |
| 15:17 |
Catseye Tennen (katsii.tennen) |
Though I've found when i use my Lara save stick... So far the alpha problem doesn't show up. |
| 15:18 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Do the clothes that autohide alphas seem to work? |
| 15:19 |
lovejoy2199 |
Mine are working. So far. |
| 15:19 |
Phrynne |
Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I blame Linden Lab. |
| 15:19 |
Carl Metropolitan |
We can all agree on that I'm sure :) |
| 15:20 |
lovejoy2199 |
*smile* |
| 15:20 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Oh. There does appear to be a LSL function that will get your server name, so you should be able to use that to tell if you are on a LL or Cloud server |
| 15:21 |
Carl Metropolitan |
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetSimulatorHostname |
| 15:22 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay. Any other questions? |
| 15:22 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Oly might have one |
| 15:22 |
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Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) raises hand. |
| 15:22 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Is there any way to open a "support ticket" to LL about rent? |
| 15:23 |
Carl Metropolitan |
About rent you pay to who? |
| 15:23 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
What do you mean? I guess it's the person who owns the place and rents it out. |
| 15:23 |
Carl Metropolitan |
In other words are you renting land from Linden Lab with a premium account on the mainland or via a linden home? |
| 15:23 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
No, the latter. |
| 15:24 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Are you paying rent to another SL resident or directly to Linden Lab? |
| 15:24 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
To another resident. |
| 15:25 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Linden Lab will not help you in almost every case. You could file an Abuse Report if the person you are renting from is defrauding you. |
| 15:25 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Do you mind explaining the situation a bit more? |
| 15:27 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Okay, so my friend went to renew but it didn't expand the time. So they sent it to me thinking that it would renew by action but it just swallowed up the lindens twice. She's been sent IM's and notecards to just even out the difference but no response as of yet. |
| 15:27 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
And there are payment receipts on our accounts. |
| 15:27 |
Carl Metropolitan |
How long has it been since she started to try to contact her landlord? |
| 15:28 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
10/15 and 10/30 were the days that it took the money but didn't renew. |
| 15:28 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay. That's fairly long for the first (10/15). |
| 15:28 |
Catseye Tennen (katsii.tennen) |
Oh... no... I have to go help a friend :( |
| 15:28 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Yes. But when did you first contact your landlord about the issue? |
| 15:28 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
the 15th |
| 15:29 |
lovejoy2199 |
Sounds just like RL. |
| 15:30 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Lol, yeah. |
| 15:30 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Is there a help group associated with the landlord's properties? You could ask and see if others are having the same problem. |
| 15:30 |
Carl Metropolitan |
However, after two weeks with no reply, I would consider looking for a new place to live. |
| 15:31 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Ah okay, so LL wouldn't intervene with this? |
| 15:31 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Linden Lab has a policy of not getting involved in resident to resident disputes in most cases. |
| 15:31 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
What are the exceptions? |
| 15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Normally, something has to rise to the level of a real life criminal act (such as fraud or theft) of a significant value. |
| 15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Even then it is not certain. |
| 15:32 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Ah. Okay. |
| 15:32 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Because it may be seen as "he said this, he said that" situation... |
| 15:32 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I'm sorry they don't help much. Your best bet is to just move. |
| 15:33 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Find a place you can rent from that is more responsive. |
| 15:33 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
True |
| 15:33 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Okay, thank you. |
| 15:34 |
Carl Metropolitan |
If you are interested in living in Caledon, ask for help in the COUG or ISC groups. |
| 15:34 |
Larky (larkylouz) |
Rosehaven is also a good place to live |
| 15:34 |
Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) |
I endorse Caledon as a good place to live |
| 15:34 |
Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) |
Rosehaven, too. And Babbage. |
| 15:35 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
ISC is invitation-only group |
| 15:35 |
Carl Metropolitan |
If you are not looking for a steampunk sim, we may be of less help :) |
| 15:35 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
I can send an invite. |
| 15:36 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Ah, it's alright :) |
| 15:37 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I'm sorry there is not a lot there I can help you with. |
| 15:37 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Okay. Any other questions tonight? |
| 15:37 |
Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) |
Who thought moving the servers into the cloud was a good idea? |
| 15:38 |
lovejoy2199 |
Cost. |
| 15:38 |
Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) |
I knew as soon as I heard about it, it was going to be a goat F**k |
| 15:38 |
Carl Metropolitan |
The owners and managers of Linden Lab. |
| 15:38 |
Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) |
Are they trying to drive SL into the ground? |
| 15:38 |
Carl Metropolitan |
I expected problems. But it is a good move for them financially. |
| 15:38 |
Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) |
Not if people get frustrated and leave. |
| 15:38 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Running a server farm is hard to do competitively. |
| 15:39 |
lovejoy2199 |
In the long run, it should be better. |
| 15:39 |
Carl Metropolitan |
That is my belief, too. |
| 15:39 |
Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) |
I hope so |
| 15:40 |
Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) |
Outsourcing and things like that... |
| 15:41 |
Carl Metropolitan |
LL's core competency has never been in building, operating, and maintaining server farms. |
| 15:42 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Any other questions? |
| 15:43 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Oops sorry one more question lol |
| 15:43 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
What do those script error pop ups mean? |
| 15:43 |
lovejoy2199 |
So, after a while, maybe just 10 huge cloud farms. Then, it will get interesting. |
| 15:44 |
Carl Metropolitan |
It means something is wrong with a script that is part of some item you are wearing are interacting with. |
| 15:44 |
Carl Metropolitan |
And as to what is wrong with the script, I would have to look at the error. |
| 15:45 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Sometimes it can be as simple as just trying to use the item on land that has some scripts not allowed. |
| 15:45 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
this one says "Object: Cannot use llRegionSay() on channel 0." |
| 15:46 |
Carl Metropolitan |
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlRegionSay |
| 15:46 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Looking that function up in the LSL wiki, it turns out that whoever wrote the script tried to have it do something that the function can't do. |
| 15:46 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Oh okay, as long as i didn't do it. Lol. |
| 15:46 |
Carl Metropolitan |
No, you did not. |
| 15:47 |
Oly (ouiseaux) |
Ok! Thank you! |
| 15:47 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Channel 0 is the main chat channel. The function is written that way to keep script errors from spamming open chat. |
| 15:47 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Next question? |
| 15:47 |
Sulley Daviau |
Good nite everyone Sorry i have to depart for dinner. |
| 15:48 |
Phrynne |
Bye Sulley. |
| 15:48 |
lovejoy2199 |
Take care. And, stay safe. |
| 15:48 |
Sulley Daviau |
Thank you Carl and Andrea :) |
| 15:48 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Goodnight Sulley |
| 15:48 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Night Sulley. |
| 15:48 |
Carl Metropolitan |
If there are no more questions, I think we can adjourn for the evening. |
| 15:48 |
Carl Metropolitan |
See you all next Sunday! |
| 15:48 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Thanks for coming. |
| 15:49 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
Night all. |
| 15:49 |
Larky (larkylouz) |
Thank you, Carl. Take care everyone. You, too, Andrea |
| 15:49 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
waves bye and poofs. |
| 15:49 |
Carl Metropolitan |
Off to do the transcript! |