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16:49 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
hello Can you hear me? |
16:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I did not realize the landmark was so far from the seating arrangement! |
16:50 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
yes! |
16:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Can you hear me Wordsmith? |
16:50 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
At first I couldn't because of the music...but I turned it down. :) |
16:50 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Hello Wordsmith |
16:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I am sending out last minute reminders |
16:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hi Jade |
16:51 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Wordsmith, if you are a moderator, and need this couch, I can move over. :) |
16:51 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Welcome Cliff! |
16:52 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Hey |
16:52 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Hello Cliff |
16:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We meet alternately at this spot and in Library Land! every other month |
16:52 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Hi Jade |
16:52 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Looks like a great place |
16:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Can you hear me- Cliff and Wordsmith? |
16:52 |
Cliff Eclipse |
I can hear |
16:53 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Cool |
16:54 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
tysm for the notecard :) |
16:55 |
Cliff Eclipse |
I can hear ya Words |
16:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
ty cliff |
16:55 |
Pepper Georgia (pepper.morlim) |
thank You Master |
16:55 |
Cliff Eclipse |
I could pass on a notecard if you have an extra |
16:56 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Hello Pepper and Southern GA |
16:57 |
Pepper Georgia (pepper.morlim) |
y |
16:57 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
y |
16:57 |
- ̗̀ SG ̖́- (southern.georgia) |
y |
16:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Can you hear me? type a y please |
16:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I am giving out a short notecard. If you're here and haven't gotten a notecard, lt me know. |
17:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I can't seem to hear! working on it! |
17:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
relogging sorry |
17:01 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
I liked the story. |
17:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Question was simply initial reactions? Anything that stuck out in reading it? |
17:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Anything in particularly enjoyable Jade? |
17:03 |
Cliff Eclipse |
I do apologize for not having read it. |
17:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/29614/29614-h/29614-h.htm |
17:03 |
Free Radar HUD |
/me v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets |
17:03 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
I think the ending....when he loved the cat..Lady May....more than humans... |
17:03 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Thanks Words |
17:04 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
My pets are members of the family, so I can relate. hahaha |
17:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Anyone not able to hear Val and myself? |
17:04 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I can hear now! and have my notecard open |
17:05 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
hehe yes "can't get no respect" Dangerfield |
17:06 |
Savage Taurus |
really similar to 18 yr olds in the army |
17:07 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Question- Did you see a similarity between the "pin-set" crown thing and a Virtual Reality Head-set? |
17:08 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Yes, but it was a weapon...wasn't it? |
17:08 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
almost like a crown? |
17:08 |
Savage Taurus |
it was an interface |
17:09 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
ohh I thought it shot out the pin light and destroyed the dragons...or "rats" |
17:09 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
When you say send "the mind out"- do you mean that the physical body was not traveling--- just the mind? |
17:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That's a good definition |
17:09 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
as in virtual reality? |
17:09 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Interesting to think this was written over 60 years ago! |
17:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The physical body was traveling in the ship, but the mind was scanning the entire region around the ship. |
17:09 |
Savage Taurus |
did it connect their minds to the ship's sensors, or did the humans sense the "dragons"? |
17:10 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
Was it like a telepathy |
17:10 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
oh wow- so there really is some "virtual reality" going on here- wouldn't you say? |
17:10 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The humans sensed the dragons. |
17:10 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Very interesting, but I have thought that my pets can read my mind as well. |
17:10 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
lol |
17:10 |
Savage Taurus |
so the pinset boosted their telepathic abilities? |
17:10 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Although, I guess they weren't pets...they were partners. |
17:10 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
/me chuckles....'cats' |
17:11 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
lol |
17:11 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Well, that brings up, for the"partners" what was the relationship based upon? |
17:11 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
thoughts |
17:11 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
They call the participants "pinlighters" |
17:11 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
I thought that was an odd term 'pinlighter' |
17:11 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
I thought of that horror movie...'pinhead' |
17:12 |
Savage Taurus |
sounds like a typical teenager :P |
17:12 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Little, very intense pin-points of lights. |
17:12 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
He says "it had nothing to do with intellect" |
17:12 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
in the section called the Shuffle |
17:13 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
emotion--- feeling-- temperament |
17:13 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
were more important |
17:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes, but with "temperament and feel". |
17:13 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
so maybe- personal relationship? as partners? |
17:14 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
I read in a review..the pinlights were miniature nuclear bombs. |
17:14 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
deep understanding? |
17:14 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And the story talks a lot about images from the "partners", liking, leering, fish. |
17:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Deep relationship of mutuality. |
17:15 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
The partners thinks that human minds are "complex" and "fouled up". |
17:16 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
maybe alluding to too much individuality and not enough mutual respect |
17:16 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
less me me me and more us |
17:16 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
humans could be short on that? |
17:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And the cats are certainly not uniform in their personalities. |
17:17 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
teamwork? understanding strengths? |
17:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And basic to the story, what do the cats provide that humans are short on? |
17:17 |
Savage Taurus |
reflex |
17:17 |
Savage Taurus |
they are faster |
17:18 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
and faster in reflex than the "rats". |
17:18 |
Savage Taurus |
yes |
17:19 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So in order of reaction time: cats, rats, humans. |
17:19 |
Savage Taurus |
using them for their strengths the same way humans use horses for transportation, chicken for eggs, dogs to herd sheep, sheep for wool |
17:20 |
Savage Taurus |
dogs for their sense of smell |
17:20 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
I like to look up bios of the authors I read. Mr. Smith (his pen name) was an expert in psychological warfare. And Cats do have faster reactions...they always land on their feet. :) |
17:20 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes |
17:20 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
cats are very independent creatures. |
17:20 |
Savage Taurus |
yea they can kill a snake |
17:20 |
Savage Taurus |
head on |
17:20 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And yet they can be very social within that independence. |
17:20 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
wow...so they are fearless, too. |
17:21 |
Savage Taurus |
to them its a game |
17:21 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Although a game between predators |
17:21 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
I always viewed cats as detached critters vs. dogs |
17:21 |
Savage Taurus |
when the story revealed half way through who the "partners" were, I audibly cursed and slapped my forehead |
17:22 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and perhaps this points out how humans feel so superior |
17:22 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
/me chuckles |
17:22 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
lol |
17:22 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
I had no idea, either. |
17:22 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There's the saying that dogs have masters while cats have staff. |
17:22 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
lol |
17:23 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Well- the fact that Underhill fell in love with a cat (and will never find a woman as wonderful) reminded me of an old fairy tale called the White Cat (similar to Beauty and the Beast)- a transformation tale |
17:23 |
Savage Taurus |
cats tend to mirror the personalities of their owners: cuddly cats come from loving owners, asshole cats are usually owned by assholes |
17:23 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Hah |
17:24 |
Savage Taurus |
the main reason rednecks hate cats...they abuse them |
17:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
With some variation in natural personality. |
17:24 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
whew...I've always had cuddly ones...sighs with relief. |
17:24 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
Well, I'm not a cat person but I did not think they were really malleable animals. Always aloof and independent. |
17:24 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Wordsmith, I have to ask, are you a fan of Neal Stephenson? |
17:25 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I liked the sentence that included "human eyes and cat eyes looked across and immensity which no words could meet , but affection spanned in a single glance". |
17:25 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Love |
17:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I'm a bit like a cat when it comes to him. Complex. But the characterizations in Snowcrash were good. |
17:25 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I am reading Neal Stephenson's IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE COMMAND LINE right now! for our book discussion on Fri June 22 |
17:26 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Cool |
17:26 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And the command line did work. |
17:27 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
I finished it Val. |
17:27 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Did Smith's imagery work? and why? |
17:27 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
Yes, it did Wordsmith. |
17:27 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes! I liked the book a lot (although it made me wish I was geekier and could use Linux OS, etc!) |
17:28 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
nods |
17:28 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Now there is raspberry pi |
17:28 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
:) |
17:29 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I use both MAC and PC just so I can understand both....but not past that |
17:29 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There are good Windows-Like interfaces, KDF, Gnome. |
17:29 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
In this story--- I was interested in the "light speed" travel |
17:29 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes. There's an aspect in the technology that makes this entire story possible. |
17:30 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
is that "planoforming"? |
17:30 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
I didn't understand that. |
17:30 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That's what he calls it. |
17:30 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
So how did it make some folks crazy? |
17:30 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
reminded me of teleporting! |
17:30 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=1964 |
17:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The aspect is that it's travel in discrete jumps. |
17:31 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
hhmmm as in "from PLANE to PLANE" or something? |
17:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And you can't get there in one single jump. |
17:32 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
If we ever did learn to travel at light speed-l wouldn't time travel be possible? |
17:32 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So some of the jumps end one up in the dark depths of space. |
17:32 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I think Stephen Hawking said that time travel would not even work at the speed of light because of black holes....something like that |
17:32 |
Savage Taurus |
well shifting to another dimension is different than going light speed |
17:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
In one sense, faster than light might be similar to near-light speed travel combined with backward time travel. |
17:33 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
oh -- Savage- as in 3 dimensions and the dimension of time? |
17:33 |
Savage Taurus |
well think of it as going though a door instead of running around the wall to the other side |
17:34 |
Savage Taurus |
still walking, just shorter distance |
17:34 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But there's still the difference between continuous (think Star Trek with the stars going by) and the discrete jumps (which aren't unique to Smith) |
17:34 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
like portals? |
17:34 |
Savage Taurus |
yea warp speed is different |
17:34 |
Savage Taurus |
yea |
17:35 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Like portals in many ways |
17:36 |
Savage Taurus |
like if you had a bug on a piece of paper - 2 dimensions - then you folded the paper so that the bug could walk from one end to the other quicker...folding space into higher dimensions |
17:36 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I think I have heard of a "space fold" somewhere. mind boggling |
17:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
You don't get disassembled and reassembled. You''re here and then you're there, but there's limits to the distance. |
17:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
As if the ship makes its own doorway. |
17:38 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Here's an example of his imagery: As the pin-set warmed, the room fell away. The other people ceased to be people and became small glowing heaps of fire, embers, dark red fire, with the consciousness of life burning like old red coals in a country fireplace. |
17:38 |
Savage Taurus |
yes great imagery |
17:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It's direct see/feel wording. One reason the story still works all these years later. |
17:39 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
agreed :) |
17:40 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
To think that this was before the "space age"- rockets etc |
17:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Now one thing that has changed is, I can't imagine anyone wanting two-months of hospital recuperations. |
17:40 |
Savage Taurus |
Imagine a circular road, like a roundabout. You could walk around the road to get to the other side, or you could cut across the grass in the center. The road is a line, 1 dimensional. When you go off the road, you are going off in a different dimension to make the path shorter. |
17:41 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
INteresting concept! |
17:42 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and true, Wordsmith- we expect to be out of the hospital right away now! |
17:42 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And, if one wants to recuperate and rest, there are more attractive options. |
17:43 |
Savage Taurus |
hospitals are not fun places |
17:44 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So, it's not the issue of needing recuperation time, but of having it in a not fun place. |
17:45 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But maybe that was a different perspective in the mid 50's. |
17:45 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Hospitals have become consumer oriented - not at all that way then |
17:45 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Anyone have a chance to listen to "The Light"? |
17:46 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Sorry I did not get to that one! |
17:46 |
Savage Taurus |
they still suck :P |
17:46 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Hadn't |
17:46 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
No, I didn't listen to "The Light", yet. |
17:47 |
Savage Taurus |
i didn't know that was part of this |
17:47 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Maybe we should keep it til next month> OR did you have another suggestion? |
17:47 |
Savage Taurus |
yes lets read that for next month |
17:47 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I do think SCI fi is perfect for virtual world discussions...don't you? |
17:47 |
Cliff Eclipse |
oh yeah! |
17:47 |
Savage Taurus |
yes |
17:47 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Yes :) |
17:47 |
Savage Taurus |
I love sci fi |
17:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It's interesting in the sense of being able to create the situation, but then doing something within it. |
17:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Maybe focus on the audio story -The Light by Poul Anderson...but also have a written one? or is just one enough? |
17:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We will meet at the CVL Literature Campfire next time- date will be July 12 |
17:49 |
Cliff Eclipse |
:) |
17:49 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
If you like Val, I could get back to you on a few story suggestions. Phyrnne has sent me a bunch, that I haven't had time to look at during the SL15B build. |
17:49 |
Savage Taurus |
I could easily read a short story every week, but a book a month is a bit much for me |
17:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
sure!!! Where is your SL15B build? Do you have a landmark? |
17:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
These are short stories. |
17:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
CVL participated too and I will drop you all a notecard! |
17:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Admits to it note being quite finished yet. |
17:50 |
Savage Taurus |
I am going to try to read the Stephenson one for next week. it doesn't seem too long |
17:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/SL15B%20Stupendous/68/21/26 |
17:51 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
There are a couple of quick tours on that notecard |
17:51 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Oh looks like you are close to CVL! Will visit for sure |
17:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I think the parcels open on Sunday-- right? |
17:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
June 17th |
17:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The build itself is a 4 building creation that is the solution to the Habersasher's puzzle. |
17:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes, the 17th |
17:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Inspection started at noon today. |
17:52 |
Savage Taurus |
oh thats sounds very interesting |
17:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Well- we can all mark our calendars for July 12th as the next short story discussion....and you can let me know the story :) |
17:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I will drop you all the info once we know! |
17:53 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
tyvm :) |
17:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Sounds like a cool build! Wordsmith |
17:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The puzzle was how to divide and equilateral triangle into 4 pieces that can also form a square of the same area. |
17:54 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Wow, I gotta see it. |
17:54 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Ours is a futuristic library and shares info about our Digital Citizenship Museum being build in Kitely. There is plenty of room to contribute- Digital Citizenship is a super broad concept! |
17:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And a RL company built a house based on this that can reconfigure to use sunlight to best advantage. |
17:54 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I think it even relates to this story! Digital Citizens in space ;) |
17:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Called D'Haus. So a simulation of that. |
17:55 |
Savage Taurus |
https://academo.org/demos/haberdashers-puzzle/ |
17:55 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
awesome Wordsmith! thanks |
17:55 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
virtual world puzzle! |
17:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But within that, I'm write stuff on crystals and have created crystal like textures. |
17:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
*writing stuff |
17:55 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
MAYBE when we do our tours over to our build....we can take people to see yours? |
17:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Sure. |
17:56 |
Cliff Eclipse |
You must forgive me, gotta run in RL. |
17:56 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
good to see you CLiff |
17:56 |
Cliff Eclipse |
A pleasure being here |
17:56 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
tc Cliff, and nice to see you |
17:56 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Thanks to you all |
17:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
If I reconfigure, that will be in slack times and done "manually" |
17:56 |
Cliff Eclipse |
Smiles |
17:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks for coming Cliff. |
17:56 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
So can you get the story for next month to me by the end of next week- is that enough time? |
17:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Should be, yes. |
17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
ok- I will be in touch and will check out your SLB15 nuild :) |
17:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And keep "The Light". |
17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Great discussion tonight- super interesting story! |
17:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Glad you (plural) like it. |
17:57 |
Savage Taurus |
it went by very quickly |
17:57 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
Yes, I enjoyed it and thank you for the discussion notes. :) |
17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
The notes really help move the conversation. l ty |
17:58 |
ღلadё ℝeynolds ღ (jadetyler) |
tc everyone :) |
17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I look forward to listening to the Light! |
17:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
tc |
17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Have a good night all (or whatever time it is!) |
17:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks for hosting, Val. |
17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
:) |
17:58 |
Savage Taurus |
thanks for hosting this |
17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Looking forward to the SLB15 hunt too! |
17:59 |
Savage Taurus |
Have a pleasant 24 hour period, folks ;) |
17:59 |
Panny (panny.bakerly) |
This was most enjoyable. |
17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
bye for now |
17:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Oh, one concept I picked up from Snowcrash. -- Getting to the next frame. |
17:59 |
Savage Taurus |
I really need to read that |
18:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Which means surviving the current "frame" |
18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I would reread SNowcrash! |
18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
He came up with quite a few terms we use! |
18:00 |
Savage Taurus |
smiles |
18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
including the Metaverse |
18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
See you again |
18:00 |
Savage Taurus |
no power in the verse can stop me :) |
18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
gotta run |
18:00 |
Savage Taurus |
bye :) |
18:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Til then |
18:01 |
Savage Taurus |
take care |