Caledon Community Meeting for 2023-10-14
| 13:57 | Garnet Psaltery | Interesting music |
| 13:57 | Jorge Serapis | Evening, all. |
| 13:57 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | is this on voice? |
| 13:57 | Garnet Psaltery | Hello Jorge |
| 13:57 | Phrynne | hi Jorge |
| 13:57 | Aury (aurysa) | hi there Jorge |
| 13:57 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) waves to jorge | |
| 13:57 | Phrynne | hi Aury |
| 13:58 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I promise it'll get more interesting. You'll recognize some things, hopefully I'll introduce you to things you didn't know you liked. |
| 13:58 | Aury (aurysa) | hi there Phrynne |
| 13:58 | Phrynne | Will you be speaking on voice, Neo? |
| 13:58 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | nooooo |
| 13:58 | Phrynne | or in text? |
| 13:58 | NeoBokrug Elytis | No, this is a text only affair. |
| 13:58 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | i have my sound off because we're watching tv |
| 13:58 | Alexandra Rucker | oh good :) |
| 14:00 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | So everything is buried under text |
| 14:00 | Jorge Serapis | Set some chairs out, if anyone wants to use them. :_) |
| 14:00 | Ember (emberell) | The chairs are lovely, Jorge! |
| 14:00 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Thanks Jorge! |
| 14:00 | KayCooper | Ah Jorge...master of chairs :) |
| 14:00 | Garnet Psaltery | Pretty chairs |
| 14:00 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | AOs off if you sit on Jorge's chairs |
| 14:01 | NeoBokrug Elytis | 2pm. Time to start. I have a lot to go over for the past month, and I want to make sure people have time to ask their questions, and have their comments addressed. The way I typically host these is: I'll blather on for a bit, then ask everyone if they have questions or comments. Once those are all addressed, I'll typically move on to the next topic. There's a lot to go over; but before I start... |
| 14:02 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for reaching out to me, and making me feel welcome here. I was very nervous at first, because of a lot of general uncertainties. I know I must have seemed like an outsider taking over, but I have always been a fan of Caledon -- just watching from a distance. So again, I appreciate you all, and your warm welcomes. It means a lot to me. |
| 14:03 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I usually just have a list of notes I reference, stuff I want to address, and I typically do not have prepared statements. So it's me typing in real time - typos and all. |
| 14:03 | Ember (emberell) | (don't worry, we speak typoeses) |
| 14:03 | Garnet Psaltery | Permission to snigger at will? |
| 14:03 | Gloriana Maertens | Typonese is Caledon's National language, isn't it? |
| 14:04 | Aury (aurysa) | in all dialects too! |
| 14:04 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Tjaa, tiärä häntä :-) |
| 14:04 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | Smiles brightly. |
| 14:05 | NeoBokrug Elytis | A bit about me, I run a tight ship with regard to estate operation, but I am not a callous unfeeling robot. We all have tough times, and quite frankly real life can get very real, very fast. If you are ever having trouble with tier, please let me know. We can work on some ideas together. I would rather folks take care of themselves before worrying about virtual land. That's how I've run The Wastelands, and it seems even a small amount of compassion goes a long way for estates in SL. |
| 14:06 | NeoBokrug Elytis | To save anyone the stress of asking the two most asked about -- possibly difficult topics that have come to my IM window this past month, I'll just address them here and now. :) |
| 14:06 | Garnet Psaltery | Hello Mari |
| 14:07 | Mari Moonbeam | Hello Garnet ! |
| 14:07 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) waves to mari | |
| 14:07 | Katie (katie.canningham) waves to Zaida | |
| 14:07 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Hi neighbor! |
| 14:07 | KayCooper | Hi Small Katie :) |
| 14:07 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | hey neighbor!! |
| 14:07 | Mari Moonbeam | Zaida, so cool to see our pixels |
| 14:07 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Hi Kay! |
| 14:07 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | it is indeed |
| 14:07 | Katie (katie.canningham) | nice shoes! |
| 14:07 | NeoBokrug Elytis | The first is my promise of not adjusting tier until about a year from now. That's my promise to the community that I am not going to make adjustments to existing residents tier. By proxy, that gives folks a little anxiety about what happens after that year. I don't plan to jack up tier for everyone because I don't intend to gouge people for your L$. |
| 14:07 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Hi Owlie! |
| 14:07 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Hi Neoguvnah! |
| 14:08 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Hello Katie |
| 14:09 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Having said that though, I will, at the very least, charge cost if you are paying less than cost now. Tier rates across the estate are all over the place -- that's something I am not used to. I think it's important to try to keep old promises, without endangering the ledger of the estate. |
| 14:10 | NeoBokrug Elytis | One huge difference between me and Des with regard to the tier, is that I have to pay state tax on region fees. And honestly that's fine right now for the majority of the estate, a cost I am willing to eat for a while. |
| 14:10 | NeoBokrug Elytis | (and like I said, I am very transparent) |
| 14:10 | Mari Moonbeam | Cost now - did you inherited the grandfathered tier on the older regions? |
| 14:10 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yes. |
| 14:10 | Alexandra Rucker | Des didn't have to pay state tax? |
| 14:10 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | lucky duck |
| 14:11 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Where I live, Texas, is one of the few states that mandate it for online services. |
| 14:11 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | state tax is part of why I had to give up my sim |
| 14:11 | Alexandra Rucker | Ahhhhh |
| 14:11 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | PA does! |
| 14:11 | Alexandra Rucker | here I thought all states charged that |
| 14:11 | Phrynne | it varies with each state. |
| 14:11 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | And nation |
| 14:11 | Katie (katie.canningham) | I was worried it'd be California tax |
| 14:11 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Nah, just some, and at different rates. |
| 14:11 | Garnet Psaltery | I suppose moving is out of the question for you? |
| 14:11 | Jorge Serapis | VAT for online stuff, here. |
| 14:11 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | grins at Garnet |
| 14:12 | Katie (katie.canningham) whispers | Hi Ti Phrynne |
| 14:12 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Back to possible tier increases in the future; I will IM each person whom it affects when we get to that time where I review tier rates. |
| 14:12 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Europeans getting income from SL have tp pay taxes as well. |
| 14:12 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | <..everything is big in Texas.. |
| 14:12 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | so do Americans |
| 14:12 | Garnet Psaltery | Yes |
| 14:12 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Which will probably be around June, because I want to give folks about 60+ days of notice to choose what to do. |
| 14:12 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Any questions about future tier? |
| 14:12 | Garnet Psaltery | Generous |
| 14:13 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | Smiles brightly. |
| 14:13 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | What is your typical rate per prim? |
| 14:13 | Ember (emberell) | The hope is that the future tier does not bring tears :-) |
| 14:13 | Garnet Psaltery | *hehehehehehe* |
| 14:13 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It depends Owlie, and I will touch upon that a bit later. |
| 14:14 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It is not my intent to make things difficult for folks. But we all know that intent sometimes has side effects. My goal is to minimize that and be fair to both tenants, and the ledger for Caledon. |
| 14:14 | Katie (katie.canningham) | tiers for fears |
| 14:14 | KayCooper | grins |
| 14:14 | Aury (aurysa) | lol |
| 14:14 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) grins at katie | |
| 14:14 | Katie (katie.canningham) | :) |
| 14:14 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Any other questions about tier? |
| 14:14 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Future tier I Should say. |
| 14:15 | Aury (aurysa) | Are you considering upgrading sims to higher LI allowances? That would also increase tier |
| 14:15 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yeah, I will speak of that later Aury -- it is a complex topic. |
| 14:16 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Moving on to current parcels for sale, and their tier rates: |
| 14:16 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Any parcels that become for sale, will adopt tier rates more in line with the demand for a 20k region. (I have a big dumb spreadsheet). |
| 14:17 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | does that include my parcel? |
| 14:17 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Zaida: No |
| 14:18 | Mari Moonbeam | How do our tiers now compare with our Steamlands friends ? |
| 14:18 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Not soon, but some day I may consider using the live USD-to-L$ system I have. Basically, it is pretty much lockstep with the Lindex, and instead I price parcels at $USD on my end. It is another complexity that, If your parcel was 1usd per week, the tier right now would be L$246. If in the future the L$ to USD price is 300/1, it would be 300 |
| 14:19 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | wow |
| 14:19 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | i know Tenk in Babbage has been saying he might have to adjust tier for similar reasons |
| 14:19 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Since the prices are all over the place, the comparison is hard. I look at themed communities prices in general. Right now I think Caledon is cheaper than most. |
| 14:20 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Des told me stories of when the L$ hit 315 or something and it was just wrecking him, but he ate it and kept going forward. :) |
| 14:20 | Garnet Psaltery | Aww |
| 14:20 | NeoBokrug Elytis | The Wastelands has had this USD-to-L$ system in place for more than a decade. |
| 14:20 | Alexandra Rucker | would that system allow for payment in USD as well? |
| 14:21 | NeoBokrug Elytis | No, just L$ |
| 14:21 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It makes payments more fair for residents and estates. |
| 14:21 | Garnet Psaltery | So in RL we end up paying the same real amount each week? |
| 14:21 | Mari Moonbeam | And sadly, when the Linden is raising [ more per $1 USD} like that is it because the platform is weakening, no? |
| 14:21 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yes Garnet. |
| 14:22 | Phrynne | If someone pays several weeks ahead on their land and the Lindex changes, will they be charged? |
| 14:22 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Something like that Mari. I notice the Linden has "waves" of price fluctuations. Typically around the 1st and 15th of the month. |
| 14:22 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | it means people are not buying as much Lindens - so yeah |
| 14:22 | NeoBokrug Elytis | "Paydays" |
| 14:22 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Any other questions or comments about Future tier? |
| 14:23 | Alexandra Rucker | 1st and 15th are common for twice-monthly payroll |
| 14:23 | Ember (emberell) | Phrynne's question ahs some merit |
| 14:23 | Garnet Psaltery | I'd like to know that answer too |
| 14:23 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Phrynne, sorry I didn't see your question. No you will not be charged more. |
| 14:23 | NeoBokrug Elytis | If you pay early, you've already paid for your service. |
| 14:23 | Garnet Psaltery | Well it all sounds very fair and reasonable |
| 14:23 | Alexandra Rucker | so the current Lindex price only comes into play when the payment is made? |
| 14:23 | NeoBokrug Elytis | So if you wiggle in on a day with better rates, well good. :) |
| 14:24 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Alexandra: Yes, only at the time of payment. |
| 14:24 | Alexandra Rucker | ok cool |
| 14:24 | NeoBokrug Elytis | My end of things updates every few minutes, so it is pretty "live" with regard to tier rates. |
| 14:24 | Aury (aurysa) | but won't that encourage paying as few installments as possible to make sure the L$ is as favorable as can be? |
| 14:24 | Wordsmith Jarvinen | Since the tier meters are now fixed rates for different week amounts will they automatically update? |
| 14:25 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Let me scroll back to make sure I didn't miss anything. |
| 14:25 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Aury: It works both ways really, and 1/250th of a dollar doesn't matter too much to me. |
| 14:26 | Aury (aurysa) | thankies Neo |
| 14:26 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Word: I only need to make a backend change --- but I can see wanting to do a meter update ... again. |
| 14:26 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | where does Des llive now that he's not guvnah |
| 14:26 | Alexandra Rucker | catgirl dungeon? :) |
| 14:26 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Are you obsessed with meter updates, Neo? do we need to do an intervention? |
| 14:26 | NeoBokrug Elytis | He wanders around the estate as Desmond Magic. He's like a wild Pokemon. You've gotta catch him to interact with him. |
| 14:26 | Garnet Psaltery | *hehehehehehe* |
| 14:27 | Ember (emberell) | I mean that's not much different than before really :-) |
| 14:27 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Owlie: Nah! The Caledon meters were a big project. I have some existing stuff I want to carry over from The Wastelands that makes paying tier easier. |
| 14:27 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I will talk about that later. |
| 14:27 | Mari Moonbeam | He's selling meter inflation protection insurance out of the back of a handsome cab ;p |
| 14:27 | Garnet Psaltery | lol |
| 14:27 | NeoBokrug Elytis | HAhaha |
| 14:27 | KayCooper | lol |
| 14:27 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | laughs |
| 14:27 | Alexandra Rucker | I hope you got stickies around your monitor to remind you of topics you want to cover :) |
| 14:28 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I have a big notepad++ doc open. |
| 14:28 | Alexandra Rucker | close enough :) |
| 14:28 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | He wrote all those notes on his arm in permanent marker |
| 14:28 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Any last questions or comments about future tier? |
| 14:28 | Garnet Psaltery whispers | Oh will you be publishing a record of this meeting? |
| 14:29 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I think Word has taken up the mantle on that. |
| 14:29 | Garnet Psaltery | okies |
| 14:29 | Wordsmith Jarvinen | I am capturing it and will put in up on the Oxbridge website |
| 14:29 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Moving on to the second most commented thing: My wording of Public / Private spaces in the covenant. |
| 14:30 | NeoBokrug Elytis | What I am describing in the covenant is where certain rules apply. A public space would be on the ground, or easily accessible from the ground. It does not define things such as spaces behind locked doors. You are still allowed to have a personal private space (that isn't a covenant defined private space) as part of your builds. |
| 14:31 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It was hard for me to choose the terminology, so I settled on something that was... probably easiest to translate, but still is a little unintentionally vague. |
| 14:32 | Garnet Psaltery | So it doesn't mean people wandering into your house willy-nilly |
| 14:32 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Feel free to eject people who enter your private spaces. |
| 14:32 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Right. |
| 14:32 | Mari Moonbeam | So ideally we are polite Caledonians but don't need to be a Claridge's Hotel for wanderers that try to move into our ground floor home |
| 14:32 | Garnet Psaltery nods | |
| 14:32 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Correct. :) |
| 14:33 | Ember (emberell) | There've been a few of those over the years... |
| 14:33 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It happens. Wastelanders are very open in general, in part because not all structures have 4 walls and a roof. XD |
| 14:33 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | I remember those trying to squat on skyboxes |
| 14:34 | Wordsmith Jarvinen | One could term those personal spaces if "private" has a different definition |
| 14:34 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Skyboxes can be considered private. The idea of a public space is basically where rules apply, and thematic efforts are expected. |
| 14:35 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yeah, I'll have to chew on that for a while, just for clarifications sake. |
| 14:35 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | Smiles brightly. |
| 14:36 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Speaking on privacy. I would politely ask that folks keep the check enabled next to "Avatars on other parcels can see and chat with avatars on this parcel". I won't be enforcing it in the near future; but I do want to explain why it is important to the "health" of Caledon. |
| 14:38 | NeoBokrug Elytis | If we have visitors (and events), where some parcels have this enabled, folks pop in and out of existence. It makes it hard to have a public community, everything feels less welcoming, and more... |
| 14:38 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I can't think of a good word right now. |
| 14:38 | Ember (emberell) | Disconnected and disjointed, usually |
| 14:38 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yes. |
| 14:38 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Thank you. |
| 14:38 | Garnet Psaltery | If I were still a biggie I might be worried about being seen undressing |
| 14:38 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | that's part of why we don't allow ban lines? |
| 14:38 | Ember (emberell) | I was exploring Victoria City here with a friend the other day, showing them around, and they vanished when going through the areas in the center |
| 14:39 | Garnet Psaltery | But I understand what you're saying |
| 14:39 | NeoBokrug Elytis | If people are new to Caledon, and not necessarily SL, and they're looking for folks to talk to about the community. They may see nothing, as everyone is hidden. |
| 14:39 | Garnet Psaltery nods | |
| 14:39 | Tavish Brock (tavishbrock) | And the only things that you should be hiding are your motives |
| 14:39 | Garnet Psaltery | Or your stash of catnip |
| 14:39 | Mari Moonbeam | I may not be setting my land properly but if that setting is NOT on people can pan into skyboxes from anywhere , where we expect privacy.- for changing clothes and etc etc . Can the setting block this above 512? |
| 14:40 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Toggling it quick to change is an option. I think having it on all the time is detrimental. |
| 14:40 | Ember (emberell) | It cant' finely block it, sadly, Mari |
| 14:40 | Ember (emberell) | it's all or nothing. |
| 14:40 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yeah, I wish there were elevation options. It might be a good candidate for a JIRA |
| 14:40 | Garnet Psaltery | Well that;s a solution for modesty, Neo :o) |
| 14:40 | NeoBokrug Elytis makes a note. | |
| 14:41 | Garnet Psaltery | The toggling, I mean |
| 14:41 | Ember (emberell) | IT would be quite helpful to be able to change things depending on height |
| 14:41 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | People are still peeping tom in SL? They must really be bored. |
| 14:41 | Katie (katie.canningham) | yes and yes |
| 14:41 | Jan Stroikavskoi | I use when editing my avatar and clothes but turn it back on when done. |
| 14:41 | KayCooper | I think there's certainly less of it around here than maybe Linden homes |
| 14:41 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | i'm more interested in what people have in their houses than in the people themselves |
| 14:42 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I think that is a good compromise if I do ever choose to enforce it. For now it is a polite request. I think it would make Caledon feel more welcoming if folks could see that it's populated. |
| 14:42 | Mari Moonbeam | and I've seen folks doing RL impossibilities when I did a nearby look just to see if they were busy, "they were" ;p |
| 14:42 | Garnet Psaltery | o.O |
| 14:42 | Katie (katie.canningham) | oh dear |
| 14:42 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | ew |
| 14:43 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Oh jeez. Almost half way through the meeting, and not even 1/3rd through my list. D: |
| 14:43 | Katie (katie.canningham) gazes at Manette for a moment to clear her mind | |
| 14:43 | Garnet Psaltery | I'll try to stay awake but might not make it to the end |
| 14:43 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | I'm on vacation...I got all day and night. |
| 14:43 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Any questions or comments about Public/Private spaces, and/or Avatars on other parcels... ? |
| 14:44 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | 43 minutes past midnight here |
| 14:44 | NeoBokrug Elytis | And remind me if I missed your question |
| 14:44 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Zadia: Ban lines: Yes. |
| 14:45 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Everyone gets a ban line! |
| 14:45 | Phrynne | um? |
| 14:45 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Hahaha no. :) |
| 14:45 | Ember (emberell) | That's to say, "that's part of why we DON'T allow ban lines" |
| 14:45 | Ember (emberell) | for context |
| 14:45 | Katie (katie.canningham) | ban all the lines! |
| 14:45 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Oh, Neo...spoiling the fun. |
| 14:45 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | But I need to write lines sometimes... |
| 14:45 | Katie (katie.canningham) | those are ok |
| 14:45 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yes, sorry. No global ban lines, but feel free to ban individuals. |
| 14:46 | Garnet Psaltery | Oh ok |
| 14:46 | Garnet Psaltery | I didn't understand what you meant before |
| 14:46 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Sometimes there has to be an estate ban. Griefers move to rest of Caledon |
| 14:46 | Mari Moonbeam | global ban lines are estate technically impossible |
| 14:46 | NeoBokrug Elytis | The reason I bring up that Avatars on other parcels... option, is that wasn't even an option when the old covenant was made. It is sort of a "soft" ban-line in my eyes. |
| 14:46 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Global = restricting your parcel to pay info only etc. |
| 14:46 | Ember (emberell) | though there IS nothing stopping an avatar from getting closer should they choose to, without the ban line |
| 14:47 | Mari Moonbeam | looking at someone in their skybox is like a banline? |
| 14:47 | Garnet Psaltery | The pity about individual ban lines is that they can be used to shame people |
| 14:47 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Well, if you are looking at me in my skybox, let me know, and I'll do a dance! |
| 14:47 | Wordsmith Jarvinen | Likely should restrict banning individuals to actual cause, Neo to avoid social cliques banning each other. |
| 14:47 | Garnet Psaltery | *hehehehehehe* |
| 14:48 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Mari: If they wanted to be really pervy, they could step on your land. |
| 14:48 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | i could see that happening in other estates but not Caledon |
| 14:48 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | when Stormhold used to wage war on Tanglewood it was in good fun |
| 14:48 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Word: Yes, have some restraint when banning folks. |
| 14:48 | Mari Moonbeam | true and I have attack corgis |
| 14:48 | Ember (emberell) | But you also will see if they step on your land and be able to ask them to leave or otherwise |
| 14:48 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | me too! |
| 14:49 | Katie (katie.canningham) | If they wanna see nakee just direct 'em to Burning Man |
| 14:49 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Please try to not ban other residents, I have asked folks in The Wastelands to unban other residents. We're all residents here, and getting banned from large swathes of land is not fun. |
| 14:50 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Oxbridge! It is now a full community gateway region! I am working on the last little bit of code to allow folks to register to join SL and appear in Oxbridge as their first login. |
| 14:50 | Alexandra Rucker | Huzzah! |
| 14:50 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | :-) |
| 14:50 | Katie (katie.canningham) | (¸¸.•´ ¯¨•.¸¸ Applause ¸¸.•¨¯`•.¸¸) |
| 14:50 | KayCooper | \0/ |
| 14:50 | Mari Moonbeam | fantastic |
| 14:50 | Aury (aurysa) | yaaay! |
| 14:50 | Ember (emberell) | We're all excited over here at Oxbridge :-) |
| 14:50 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | I wonder how many Brazilians we get this time...... |
| 14:50 | NeoBokrug Elytis | (This song, is by a collection of SL users, one who recently passed away from Cancer -- her voice will always be remembered) |
| 14:50 | Mari Moonbeam | fresh noobs :) |
| 14:50 | Alexandra Rucker | "I am brazil! give me monies!" |
| 14:50 | Ember (emberell) | A fair number, though the language kit has been fairly recently updated (many thanks to Larky's work on that) |
| 14:51 | Phrynne | and the work to translate the tutorial into French and Spanish is continuing. |
| 14:51 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Very cool! With the help of the Oxbridge staff, I hope to open the floodgates within a couple weeks. |
| 14:51 | Katie (katie.canningham) | and Portuguese? (Brazil) |
| 14:52 | Ember (emberell) | Just wave if we can help on that. we're here for that, after all :-) |
| 14:52 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | (bans individual --unbans them, then they do stuff to get rebanned --it's become an interesting cycle of events) |
| 14:52 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Amount of people goes up and down. It has done that over the years. |
| 14:52 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Newcomers, that is |
| 14:53 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Parcel Meters! |
| 14:54 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Before I could transfer them all from Des to me, Amazon had problems with their data server, and thus SL had problems with HTTP calls. So within a couple weeks of deploying the system, it got it's first REAL test. Everything went swimmingly. Folks who tried to pay, but could not be credited, were refunded. |
| 14:54 | NeoBokrug Elytis | And all the meters came back all on their own, just fine when everything was clear. |
| 14:54 | Alexandra Rucker | Yay! |
| 14:54 | KayCooper | excellent |
| 14:54 | Phrynne | good. |
| 14:55 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I will be bringing in a few things from The Wastelands. One of which I have already done. It is the "Pay all parcels 7" and "Pay all parcels 28" panels, in the wing of the Guvnah's mansion. THat way if you have a lot of parcels to pay for, you don't need to hunt down the meters. You click the panel to login, it presents you with an appropriate price, and you pay that, and they're all credited. |
| 14:56 | Garnet Psaltery | Neat |
| 14:56 | Gloriana Maertens | That's welcome! |
| 14:56 | Alexandra Rucker | That's a neat feature :) |
| 14:56 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | do people really have a lot of parcels? |
| 14:56 | NeoBokrug Elytis | The next thing I am working on, is something that Wastelanders and now Caledonians have been asking me about, is a tool to make all parcels due on the same day! In my head I know how the code all works. |
| 14:56 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yes, you know who you are. |
| 14:56 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Is that 7 vs 28 days? |
| 14:56 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Thanks to Jorge for the graphics on the "Pay all" panels. |
| 14:56 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | I used the pay all for 7 the other day, worked great. |
| 14:57 | Garnet Psaltery | Is scripting genius |
| 14:57 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Two more things I want to port over are: |
| 14:57 | NeoBokrug Elytis | 1) A basic tier panel. Instead of hunting down your meters, you can just show up here at the Guvnahs mansion, click to log in, use the right or left arrows to "scroll" through the parcels you own, and make payments there. |
| 14:58 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | wow. |
| 14:58 | Garnet Psaltery | Oh, something I forgot - can other people pay your meter for you if you're away? |
| 14:58 | NeoBokrug Elytis | 2) I have an auto-tier-paying device. THe way that works is you set it up on your land, and when your tier has less than 3 days left, it will pay one week on your behalf, as long as you have the L$ on your account |
| 14:58 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Garnet: Yes, anyone can pay your meter. |
| 14:59 | Garnet Psaltery | Great :o) |
| 14:59 | Gloriana Maertens 's eyes widen. | |
| 14:59 | Mari Moonbeam | or if they like how you look in your skybox ;p |
| 14:59 | Zahra Ethaniel | lol |
| 14:59 | Garnet Psaltery | And thats another neat idea |
| 14:59 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | If they are gonna pay my tier based on peeking in on me, I'll do all my changing at ground level to make it easier! |
| 15:00 | Garnet Psaltery | *hehehehehehe* |
| 15:00 | KayCooper | same |
| 15:00 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I originally made the auto-tier-paying device for emergencies. Like if you couldn't log in for any reason, or a storm knocks out your power for days. But now about half of the people in The Wastelands, use it to pay their tier. Sort of a set it and forget it device. |
| 15:00 | KayCooper | lol |
| 15:00 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Haha |
| 15:01 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Current parcel meters won't go blue if you're overdue. |
| 15:01 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | One must have inworld income to use that |
| 15:01 | Katie (katie.canningham) | So if someone wants to pay tier for another, they use the kiosks here at the mansion? |
| 15:01 | NeoBokrug Elytis | They require manual intervention to clear. But they will still acrue an overdue balance in time. So if you make a tier payment and you are overdue, it will pay the overdue first, and give the remaining time to whatever is left. |
| 15:01 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Katie: No, only parcel tier meters allow payments |
| 15:01 | NeoBokrug Elytis | These panels, are for owners only. |
| 15:02 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Good idea, Neo, on collecting the back tier. |
| 15:02 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It's just being fair. |
| 15:02 | Katie (katie.canningham) | ah, so we'd go to the lightpost (or rock)? |
| 15:02 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yah! |
| 15:03 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I also have a tier donation plate, but that is sort of a moot thing here, with the parcel meters. |
| 15:03 | Gloriana Maertens | With regrets I'll need to leave early, my friends. Glad to 'meet' you Guvnor! All of this sounds wonderful! |
| 15:03 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Thanks! I hope to see you around. :) |
| 15:03 | KayCooper | TC Gloriana |
| 15:03 | Zahra Ethaniel | Take care, Glori :) |
| 15:03 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | good night garnet and welcome to Caledon |
| 15:03 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Good night Gloriana! |
| 15:03 | Phrynne | tc Gloriana |
| 15:03 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Any questions about tier panels, or parcel meters? |
| 15:03 | Gloriana Maertens | Hey Zah, didn't see you sneak in? <3 |
| 15:03 | Gloriana Maertens waves and poofs | |
| 15:03 | Zahra Ethaniel | Hugs, I came late :) |
| 15:04 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Moving on to how parcel "sales" work now. |
| 15:04 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Before it was -- you'd have to pay the meter, wait for someone to set the land for sale to you, and other stuff that is ... not good for the initial new resident experience. |
| 15:05 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I would regularly prod Des about that. |
| 15:05 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | And complicated for newbies. |
| 15:05 | Ember (emberell) | Yes, very |
| 15:05 | Jorge Serapis | Do we feel another how to video coming on? :_) |
| 15:05 | NeoBokrug Elytis | But the new system is in place now, where all you need to do is purchase the land inworld. That means it shows up on the inworld map if anything is for sale. |
| 15:05 | Ember (emberell) | IT was always a bit of a journey helping newcomers who wanted to rent here find their way to actually doing so. So it's nice it's simpler :-) |
| 15:06 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Perhaps Jorge! |
| 15:06 | Garnet Psaltery | Yes, so it's your fault I was drawn to my parcel on the Map :D |
| 15:06 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Just visit the parcel, purchase the land, and you'll automatically be credited for 2 weeks. |
| 15:06 | Ember (emberell) | I intend to update Oxbridge's how to rent land in Caledon notecard to reflect the changes |
| 15:06 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Something Oxbridge always needed really, was a 'how to rent in caledon' lesson/hall. |
| 15:06 | Ember (emberell) | soon ᵀᴹ |
| 15:06 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | We would need teacher for virtual land management class anyway |
| 15:07 | Ember (emberell) | We had a notecard on it, Owlie |
| 15:07 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Maybe a real estate office? |
| 15:07 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I have a very simple estate bot, living in a raspberry pi, on a bookshelf. He will send 4 IMs explaining some initial stuff, and a group invite, if you don't currently own land in Caledon. |
| 15:07 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | And a number of other classes as well... |
| 15:07 | NeoBokrug Elytis | That'd be cool Ember. |
| 15:07 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Even when Oxbridge had their own town homes, it was a hot mess. |
| 15:07 | Ember (emberell) | I can send you a copy if you'd like, Neo, though I think you should have access to the faculty kit as well |
| 15:07 | Garnet Psaltery | He was a nice surprise, Walter Whipple. |
| 15:07 | Mari Moonbeam | A video on theme maybe good to avoid modern beach houses getting rezzed |
| 15:08 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | I was one of the last to use the Dorms |
| 15:08 | Ember (emberell) | (It's inworld, in Caledon, in the staff breakroom) |
| 15:08 | NeoBokrug Elytis | There will be a "Letting" office in the Guvnahs mansion. The bot will be there. I tried to make his wording appear as a nice Victorian style letter. |
| 15:08 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Meaning; lots of flowery language? |
| 15:08 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Not sure if folks even remember the townhouses Martini build on Oxbridge. |
| 15:08 | Garnet Psaltery | Lots and lots |
| 15:08 | NeoBokrug Elytis | The letting office will have all the perks of being a resident, as well as tier payment options, as well as Wallace Whipple himself. |
| 15:08 | Phrynne | They were on a skybox over Downs for a long time. |
| 15:09 | Garnet Psaltery | Oh Wallace sorry lol |
| 15:09 | Mari Moonbeam | Wally |
| 15:09 | Katie (katie.canningham) | "Don't squeeze the charming?" |
| 15:10 | NeoBokrug Elytis | With the parcels being for sale, residents can now resell and gift their land to others. However, I have disabled parcel joining and dividing. |
| 15:10 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Oh that's just mean. |
| 15:10 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Occupancy for Caledon is at 100% right now. With one exception, which I will talk about later. |
| 15:10 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I need to scroll back to remember what I wanted to talk about later... now. One moment. |
| 15:11 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I think I sort of touched up on most of what I wanted to talk about later, except for an LI increase for the regions. |
| 15:12 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Let's talk about that quick if I can. |
| 15:12 | NeoBokrug Elytis | You'll have to forgive me for making Wastelands comparisons all the time, but it is what I have experience with. Think of them as the Guinea pigs for Caledon. |
| 15:13 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Lessons learned both good and bad. |
| 15:13 | Garnet Psaltery | Are we the hamsters? |
| 15:13 | NeoBokrug Elytis | So. |
| 15:13 | Katie (katie.canningham) | guinea pigs are so cute! |
| 15:13 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Well no wonder some of them are so cuddly |
| 15:13 | NeoBokrug Elytis | What I have done to increase LI for regions, is to have a VOTE by the residents of the specific region. |
| 15:14 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Generally, an LI increase means 50% more prims, for 20% more tier. |
| 15:14 | NeoBokrug Elytis | So if you have 234 prims now, you would have 351 after the upgrade. |
| 15:14 | NeoBokrug Elytis | And if you paid L500 for that, it would be L$600. |
| 15:15 | NeoBokrug Elytis | (This is a great song by the way) |
| 15:15 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Now, there's no going back from an upgrade, and I require an 80% majority of the vote. |
| 15:15 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | This is just for the Full sims, yes? |
| 15:15 | Mari Moonbeam | I think we are at 312 for a 512m^2 parcel now ? |
| 15:15 | NeoBokrug Elytis | The majority has to be in unison, or I will hold a vote about a year later. |
| 15:16 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | depends on the parcel --some are 475. |
| 15:16 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Not everyone can afford this, and some may have to tier down and/or move. |
| 15:16 | NeoBokrug Elytis | And yah Mari: You'd have 468 |
| 15:16 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Full regions only |
| 15:16 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Right now the rub is there's no where to move in Caledon. |
| 15:17 | NeoBokrug Elytis | We're literally at 100% occupancy. |
| 15:17 | NeoBokrug Elytis | And this is long term plans, 2024 stuff. |
| 15:17 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I may open a full 30k region. |
| 15:17 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | Wow! |
| 15:17 | Garnet Psaltery | That is amazing |
| 15:17 | Mari Moonbeam | And parcel sizes were pushed up in recent years to save Des time showing a 512m parcel |
| 15:17 | Katie (katie.canningham) | oh my! |
| 15:17 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | I miss KittiWickShire. |
| 15:17 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Again, that will have waiting list where non-tenant get priority. |
| 15:17 | Jan Stroikavskoi | *Thwack*........Fine Butt....Mhm. ㋡ |
| 15:18 | Jan Stroikavskoi | sorry :) |
| 15:18 | Katie (katie.canningham) | whos? |
| 15:18 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Jan! Sig isn't even here! |
| 15:18 | Jan Stroikavskoi | wrong key |
| 15:18 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Haha |
| 15:18 | Katie (katie.canningham) | O.O |
| 15:18 | Alexandra Rucker | I remembered you saying you'd put land available, but never saw it pop up - 100% occupancy explains that, lol |
| 15:18 | Jan Stroikavskoi | how embarrassing... |
| 15:18 | NeoBokrug Elytis | No worries! I mash buttons all the time. |
| 15:18 | Jan Stroikavskoi | grins |
| 15:18 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | giggles |
| 15:18 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It was available! For about a week. 5 parcels. |
| 15:19 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Doing a slight shift to talking about reclaiming land. |
| 15:19 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | You mean the new region north of Oxbridge Village? |
| 15:19 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Because it will be relevant. |
| 15:19 | NeoBokrug Elytis | UHOH |
| 15:19 | Beth Ghostraven | wow, 100% occupancy! Does this mean we might be expanding eventually? |
| 15:19 | NeoBokrug Elytis | PLAYER CRASHED. |
| 15:19 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Bring back the music, Neo, or no cake for you! |
| 15:19 | Garnet Psaltery | It's either that or start sharing. |
| 15:19 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | ...cake is a lie.... |
| 15:19 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It's there. |
| 15:20 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Okay. Let me backtrack, brain derailed. |
| 15:20 | Katie (katie.canningham) | If there is a waiting list, now that residents can sell their parcels, maybe that's an option too? |
| 15:20 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Thanks, Elfbiter! |
| 15:20 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I am SLOW to add regions. I like to make sure that occupancy still has demand. I don't want residents flooding to a new region. I want a waiting list. |
| 15:20 | Beth Ghostraven | That makes sense |
| 15:21 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It is just the smart way to do things. If the demand is there for months, then add something. |
| 15:21 | Katie (katie.canningham) | I was just thinking - not to pressure current residents to sell, just there being the option |
| 15:21 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | no more stargate.. |
| 15:22 | Beth Ghostraven | stargate? |
| 15:22 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Reclaiming land: |
| 15:22 | NeoBokrug Elytis | IF YOU EVER ARE WORRIED ABOUT MAKING TIER PAYMENTS ON TIME, JUST LET ME KNOW. I can wait far longer than the official grace period, I just need to be kept in the loop. |
| 15:23 | Mari Moonbeam | If you have an old existing tier and sell - what will the purchaser pay? |
| 15:23 | NeoBokrug Elytis | If you don't log in, or speak to me about overdue land, it is my policy to fall back to the grace period guidelines. |
| 15:23 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Mari: They pay whatever you set your parcel sale price to, and they inherit any remaining tier. |
| 15:23 | Mari Moonbeam | what is their future tier/ |
| 15:24 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | But are you going to update from the grandfather tier on the parcel? |
| 15:24 | NeoBokrug Elytis | For now, what it is currently. Creating a function to update tier rates is.. annoying. :) |
| 15:25 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Everything is same-ish in The Wastelands. A non-issue for me there. If I ever need to address tier changes I will. |
| 15:25 | NeoBokrug Elytis | But I am lax on it -- just not as lax as Des. |
| 15:26 | Mari Moonbeam | [not for today but a NC from you about future tier plans would be helpful to give to purchaser-- full real estate disclosure and all ; so the buyer won't think the seller was pulling a fast one -- Des never increased tier unless a person was late a lot ] |
| 15:26 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Since the transfer of Caledon to me, I have allowed residents to be overdue, until tomorrow. I have done my due diligence to contact them, and let them know. From here on out I am enforcing tier due dates. |
| 15:27 | Jan Stroikavskoi rings her bell. | |
| 15:27 | Jan Stroikavskoi | :D |
| 15:27 | Katie (katie.canningham) rings her bell. | |
| 15:27 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yeah, there's a tiny clause in the covenant to say I'd give 30 days notice if I need tier rates to change. |
| 15:27 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | ?? |
| 15:27 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Is bells -- questions? |
| 15:27 | Jan Stroikavskoi | wrong key sorry |
| 15:27 | Katie (katie.canningham) | enthusiasm only |
| 15:27 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Again? |
| 15:27 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Haha! |
| 15:27 | Kara of the bright smile (kara2016) | *facepalms* |
| 15:28 | Mari Moonbeam | buy that woman a bell tower |
| 15:28 | Jan Stroikavskoi | i have a medical problem with my hands. I apologize |
| 15:28 | Beth Ghostraven | Jan thought she was in the boxing ring again |
| 15:28 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | 'What's then ext wrong key? Godzilla yell?' |
| 15:28 | Katie (katie.canningham) hands Kara a nice cup of tea | |
| 15:28 | Zahra Ethaniel | Hugs Sis |
| 15:28 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Don't sweat it! I understand. |
| 15:28 | Jan Stroikavskoi | Thanks Neo |
| 15:28 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Jan is trying to start a drinking game is all. Geez folks. |
| 15:28 | Garnet Psaltery | Have you got much more to cover, Neo? |
| 15:28 | Katie (katie.canningham) hands Jan a nice cup of tea | |
| 15:28 | Jan Stroikavskoi | oh thanks Katie ;) |
| 15:28 | NeoBokrug Elytis | 15 more minutes I think., |
| 15:28 | Garnet Psaltery | okies |
| 15:28 | Katie (katie.canningham) | welkies! |
| 15:28 | Phrynne | Will you be doing anything with the area that was Cymru? It seems to still be there. |
| 15:29 | NeoBokrug Elytis | For those looking for land now -- shoot me an IM. I will be making a couple parcels available tomorrow |
| 15:29 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | That's a good question. |
| 15:29 | Katie (katie.canningham) hands Owlie a nice cup of catnip tea | |
| 15:29 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Thanks, Katie! |
| 15:29 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Catnip tea? Darn, I wish I had hands |
| 15:29 | Katie (katie.canningham) | welkies! |
| 15:29 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Before I move on to Cymru -- any questions about reclaiming land? |
| 15:29 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Or grace period? |
| 15:30 | Zahra Ethaniel | I do have a question about selling land |
| 15:30 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Hit me |
| 15:30 | Zahra Ethaniel | maybe its been answered |
| 15:30 | Zahra Ethaniel | well, I get that we can set the land for sale ourselves |
| 15:30 | Zahra Ethaniel | but, then how does the land chance over - the meter I mean |
| 15:30 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Those two I'm going to have to pick up from the transcript, but what happens when reclaiming leaves very few residents on a sim? Will that sim disappear into the mists at that point? |
| 15:30 | Zahra Ethaniel | we notify you? |
| 15:31 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It is automated Zahra. You get a notification, I get like 3 notifications, they get whatever tier is left. THe bot sends IMs. |
| 15:31 | Zahra Ethaniel | oh good |
| 15:31 | Zahra Ethaniel | easy then :) |
| 15:31 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Emilly -- I will cross that bridge if that happens. |
| 15:32 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Augh crash again |
| 15:32 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Any other questions about that stuff? |
| 15:32 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Fair enough |
| 15:32 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Cymru, now Caledon Carraig Neamhai and moved south of Caledon II -- is a personal project. |
| 15:32 | Katie (katie.canningham) | You were going to mention the exception to the 100% occupancy? |
| 15:32 | NeoBokrug Elytis | This is that. :) |
| 15:33 | Katie (katie.canningham) | ah! ok |
| 15:33 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Infrastructure plans? |
| 15:33 | Katie (katie.canningham) | name change? cool! |
| 15:33 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I am building my first region here in Caledon. It will be a homestead, 2/3rds of it will be water, already connecting existing waterways. 1/3rd will be an island, which I'll build. |
| 15:34 | Phrynne | that will be good for sailing |
| 15:34 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | That sounds fun. Whereish? |
| 15:35 | NeoBokrug Elytis | That island and related infrastructure will be 1k prims. The land on the island will become available to Duchy APPLICANTS at a later date, that I cannot confirm now. That Duke or Duchess will have 4k prims to work with, with a big prebuilt island for them. |
| 15:35 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Emily, it is there now -- south of Caledon II |
| 15:35 | Beth Ghostraven | Neo, that sounds like fun! |
| 15:36 | Beth Ghostraven | Will it be open to visitors, or would you rather we stay out for now? |
| 15:36 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I will make several application-like forms for folks to fill out. |
| 15:36 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Ah, I thought Carraig was still tied to Cymru |
| 15:36 | NeoBokrug Elytis | It will be REQUIRED to be open to visitors. |
| 15:36 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | ...Haloween noise is distracting.... |
| 15:36 | Beth Ghostraven | I mean while you're working on it |
| 15:36 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Cymru became Neamhai |
| 15:36 | Alexandra Rucker | Will you allow future duchy people to bring their own island if they already have one? as long as the build becomes in theme? |
| 15:36 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Duchys have a usual requirement to be open. |
| 15:36 | Mari Moonbeam | I want to hear the name pronounced!! |
| 15:36 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Yes, while I am working on it, folks can visit. |
| 15:36 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Carraig Neamhai is Irish for Heavenly Rock. |
| 15:37 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I could ask my Irish friend to stop by and speak it on voice for you. :) |
| 15:37 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Mmhmm |
| 15:37 | Jan Stroikavskoi | What a beautiful name! |
| 15:37 | Zahra Ethaniel smiles | |
| 15:37 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Alexandra: Probably not. |
| 15:37 | Garnet Psaltery whispers | Is it ironic, like does it eat people? |
| 15:37 | Beth Ghostraven | I'm guessing KARRig NEvah |
| 15:37 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Ah, so from Welsh to Gaelic |
| 15:37 | Zahra Ethaniel | you can ask Faolan when he is around :) he is native Irish and Scots |
| 15:38 | Mari Moonbeam | neat |
| 15:38 | Katie (katie.canningham) | too |
| 15:38 | Alexandra Rucker | I know for a while Rosehaven had an "attach point" to one of Caledon regions, so that's why I was asking |
| 15:38 | Beth Ghostraven | but my Gaelic is limited to books, lol |
| 15:38 | Alexandra Rucker | errr, Rosehaven - Winterfell at the time IIRC |
| 15:38 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I would have to talk with Selena about bringing that back -- in the distant future. |
| 15:38 | NeoBokrug Elytis | One last thing! |
| 15:39 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Behind me is a Trick-or-Treat script I made for Wastlanders during the pandemic. It is a nice "event" for folks. It only dispenses things on Oct 30th, 31st, and November 1st. |
| 15:39 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Eh, it's closer to "Cah-reig Now-we", at least in the north? It sort of blurs as it moves to the lower part of Ireland to "Nav-we" |
| 15:39 | Jorge Serapis | "Kerr-rick Neowmn". It sounds like a cat's meow, butwith an N. |
| 15:39 | NeoBokrug Elytis | If and when you set up a bucket, please send me a LM to your location, and I will dispense them for everyone. |
| 15:40 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | And now is when we find that there are several dialects that folks are familiar with. :D |
| 15:40 | Zahra Ethaniel smiles | |
| 15:40 | NeoBokrug Elytis | OH, and if you take pictures of Caledon and have flickr -- PLEASE post them here: https://www.flickr.com/groups/sl-caledon/ |
| 15:40 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | My people would pronounce it very differently :-) |
| 15:40 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) nods | |
| 15:41 | Jorge Serapis | https://forvo.com/word/neamhain/ |
| 15:41 | NeoBokrug Elytis | ANy questions about anything at all? THese last 20 minutes or so are just an open floor to share your events and future plans. |
| 15:41 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Well, that's with the second n, though, which isn't in the original word |
| 15:41 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Are you going to update the infrastructure? |
| 15:41 | NeoBokrug Elytis | YES. |
| 15:41 | NeoBokrug Elytis | FORGOT ABOUT THAT. |
| 15:41 | Katie (katie.canningham) | trains? |
| 15:41 | NeoBokrug Elytis | That is on my short term list of things to do. |
| 15:42 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) has been hoping!!! | |
| 15:42 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | So if it's actually Neamhain, then yeah, "Nee-yown" said as close to one word sounding as possible |
| 15:42 | Jorge Serapis | https://www.howtopronounce.com/neamhai |
| 15:42 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Will the lecherous minisub be back? |
| 15:42 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Ok so start with Tamrannoch... |
| 15:42 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | grins. |
| 15:42 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Cobblestones for Caledon Prim and II |
| 15:42 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Materials enabled. |
| 15:42 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Oh I like those |
| 15:42 | Zahra Ethaniel | sounds nice |
| 15:42 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Some rails behind it. I need to speak with Shetty. :) |
| 15:43 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | can we have them in Tam?! |
| 15:43 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Probably! |
| 15:43 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Because the minisub used to multiply behind the Lecture Hall... |
| 15:43 | Ember (emberell) | Shetty has been very wonderful with the infrastructure |
| 15:43 | Alexandra Rucker | Replicators! |
| 15:43 | Jorge Serapis | Don't worry, Elfie. The mini subs are officially dead. |
| 15:43 | Phrynne sighs | |
| 15:43 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Used to go through Plaza as well... |
| 15:43 | Katie (katie.canningham) | rats |
| 15:43 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Those are neat. |
| 15:44 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | what happened to the exploding turkey when tanglewood poofed? |
| 15:44 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Now that you're all spoiled by my whirlwind first month, I have nothing but fewer updates and disappointment after this. |
| 15:44 | Jorge Serapis | Whwn Kal died, the offworld server he used for them wasn't maintaned. That's why they went crazy. |
| 15:44 | Phrynne | it was returned, Zaida |
| 15:44 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | so no more exploding turkey :( |
| 15:44 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | I am excited for Tamrannoch to be updated. |
| 15:44 | Alexandra Rucker | I thought the explodabirds were Denver's? |
| 15:45 | Jan Stroikavskoi | Thanks for the informative meeting Neo. I have to leave! See some of you later I hope :)) |
| 15:45 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Neamhai, first. Probably the early caledon regions. |
| 15:45 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | The Turkey and the Unicorns were Denver's yes. |
| 15:45 | KayCooper | Bye Jan :) |
| 15:45 | Zahra Ethaniel | See you later, Sis :) |
| 15:45 | Jan Stroikavskoi | Bye Kay :)) |
| 15:45 | Katie (katie.canningham) | good night Jan! |
| 15:45 | Jan Stroikavskoi | Hugs sis! |
| 15:45 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Take it easy those who are leaving. I'll be here until the top of the hour to answer pretty much any question or comment. |
| 15:45 | Jan Stroikavskoi | Goodnight Katie :)) |
| 15:45 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) makes faces at Neo... | |
| 15:45 | Katie (katie.canningham) | :) |
| 15:46 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | There are also a few of Denver's rabids scattered about |
| 15:46 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | rabids? |
| 15:46 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Well, I redid the moat in Tamrannoch, and will be glad for the updating. The place needs some work. |
| 15:46 | Phrynne | isn't the rabbit in the cemetery his? |
| 15:46 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Mmhmm. Replicating rabbits that jump on you and bite bite bite |
| 15:46 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | (With showy blood effect!) |
| 15:46 | Katie (katie.canningham) | ~*~* EEEEEEEEK! *~*~ |
| 15:47 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | he also has those things that run you over, too |
| 15:47 | Garnet Psaltery | I need to sleep but thank you for the information, Neo, and may your Guvnahship be a fruitful one. :o) |
| 15:47 | Mari Moonbeam | and a mad unicorn in Stormhold |
| 15:47 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Mmhmm |
| 15:47 | Alexandra Rucker | I wonder if vorpal bunnies are good eats :) |
| 15:47 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | and derick is no longer with us? |
| 15:47 | KayCooper | Night Garnet |
| 15:47 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Good night Garnet! |
| 15:47 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Sadly, Caledon Saint Kitt went away years ago. Because Denver blew it up. |
| 15:47 | Phrynne | g'night Garnet |
| 15:47 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | how did i live in Stormhold for years and never see the unicorn? |
| 15:47 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | (with permission) |
| 15:47 | Zahra Ethaniel | Good Night, Ms Garnet |
| 15:47 | Mari Moonbeam | nice mustard sauce, you bet |
| 15:47 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Also; fair warning. There's an event in The Wastelands called The Wastelands Raiders. They politely visit regions and explore them once a month. SInce we're sister estates now, they want to stop by and explore here (again) |
| 15:47 | Garnet Psaltery | .•❤•. NiNi.•❤•. |
| 15:47 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | Well, of course. |
| 15:47 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Are you going to do games or such in Caledon like you have in Wastelands? |
| 15:48 | Katie (katie.canningham) | I'll put tea out |
| 15:48 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Owlie, maybe small games. |
| 15:48 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Any idea about the Caledon Quest? |
| 15:48 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | you could have exploring adventure game that takes folks to both estates. |
| 15:48 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I am purposefully working on The Wastelands Halloween quest, to not require a game hud, or a game pumpking this year -- so Caledonians can participate. |
| 15:48 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | The closest we got to perpetual 'games' was...the coin quest, definitely, mushroom collecting, et cetera. |
| 15:49 | Katie (katie.canningham) | and the search for the roses |
| 15:49 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Well, the whole mushroom/seashell thing Des had going with Boomslang --was a bust, as it overly complicated. |
| 15:49 | Alexandra Rucker | I keep missing the rose hunt! |
| 15:49 | Alexandra Rucker | I hope that is able to continue tho |
| 15:50 | Katie (katie.canningham) | I hope so too! |
| 15:50 | Phrynne | I think Samm Florian organizes that. |
| 15:50 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I have "daily" quests in The Wastelands that encourage folks to explore unique small things in a region. It is not hard to translate that to here. It is just a lot of work. |
| 15:50 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Samm is in charge of the rose hunt ---until she decides to pass it on. |
| 15:50 | Katie (katie.canningham) | YESH |
| 15:50 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | The rose hunt has gotten huge, and weird, but it's leveled up to being a week, instead of a single day? I'm rather fond of getting more people looking when they have time. |
| 15:50 | Ember (emberell) | Speaking of hte CAledon quest, I am happy to help upkeep that. I've worked with the clues on the prior iteration of that |
| 15:51 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Well, I think it will be a good idea for you to have eventually, Neo, that was the whole point of the Caledon Quest --it was mean tto be a history lesson for visitors but Marion did his own thing with it. and it never got into the history aspect. |
| 15:51 | Katie (katie.canningham) | Maybe have a team of people working the dailies? then it doesn't fall on just one person? |
| 15:51 | Beth Ghostraven | hi Fienchen! |
| 15:51 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | I'd love it to return as a Welcome to Caledon thing |
| 15:52 | Beth Ghostraven | The Caledon Quest encouraged me to remain in SL by introducint me to Caledon |
| 15:52 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | i have a question - i know all of caledon is upscale but could we have areas designated as being really upscale and maybe areas for people who want their builds to b grimy? |
| 15:52 | Ember (emberell) | That's one of the main reasons I loed to promote it - as a way to get people exploring and interacting with CAledon at large |
| 15:52 | Ember (emberell) | Love to promote it* |
| 15:52 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Denver and I had plans for a 'dark' Victorian game of sorts but then he died so that sort of went with him as I was not going to do it on my own. |
| 15:52 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I am not opposed to it. :) |
| 15:52 | Alexandra Rucker | victorian grunge/industrial? :) |
| 15:52 | Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) | And sadly, I'll have to read the rest in the transcript--I need to haunt elsewhere, as I'm the one with the singles dance machine, apparently |
| 15:52 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | I think Babbage and Stealhead are more like grimy steampunk |
| 15:53 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | steelhead isn't grimy - or isn't meant to be anyway |
| 15:53 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Caledon has been more fantastic one, including things like cavorite |
| 15:53 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Oh --it'd be fun if we brought back Cavorite. |
| 15:53 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Zaida: Grimes up good: Probably at some point. I have PLANS. |
| 15:54 | Alexandra Rucker | I love cavorite! :) |
| 15:54 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | i was thinking of like someone putting a haunted house/halloween looking house up all year long |
| 15:54 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Street urchins are more suitable to Babbage, I think |
| 15:54 | Alexandra Rucker | but then i've got a fondness for the 'gaslamp fantasy' end of things anyway :) |
| 15:54 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | hey! |
| 15:54 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Oh --and it'd be fun if you could bring back tunnels and hidden passages, Neo. |
| 15:54 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | i'm an urchin! |
| 15:54 | Zaida Gearbox (zaida.gearbox) | at least in babbage i am - hehe |
| 15:54 | Katie (katie.canningham) is tempted to get a sea urchin avi | |
| 15:54 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Perhaps! |
| 15:55 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | What I mean that different parts of Steamland have different styles of steampunk. |
| 15:55 | Beth Ghostraven | (If any of you would like the notecard about freebies from my shops this month, please let me know) |
| 15:56 | Katie (katie.canningham) | yes please! |
| 15:56 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) is really hoping to make Caledon more fun again. | |
| 15:56 | Ember (emberell) | Please send me a copy, Beth? <# |
| 15:56 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | or at least --I hope NEO can do it...I am too lazy to do it. |
| 15:56 | Katie (katie.canningham) sputters | |
| 15:56 | Ember (emberell) | I'll send that about to folk! |
| 15:56 | Katie (katie.canningham) | We are fun! |
| 15:56 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Well, Caledon is fun, otherwise I would not be here, |
| 15:56 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | I just don't walk around that much. |
| 15:57 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | I mean like with the tunnels and hidden passages and games. |
| 15:57 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Personally I can live without the zombie shooting game |
| 15:57 | Katie (katie.canningham) | ok |
| 15:57 | Phrynne | agreed |
| 15:58 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | There's a zombie shooting game? |
| 15:58 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | There was' |
| 15:58 | Ember (emberell) | (though, would it be too much to ask that the hidden tunnels beneath the guv's mansion be uncorked? :-) ) |
| 15:58 | Ember (emberell) | I believe miss Jones had one installed on a halloween build a while ago |
| 15:58 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Might not disturb the catgirls since they do not exist.... :-) |
| 15:58 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | the tunnels do need some work. |
| 15:58 | KayCooper | I need to return to rl for the time being. Ty NeoGuv and take care everyone <3 |
| 15:58 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I can do a lot, it jut takes time |
| 15:59 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Music is over. :) |
| 15:59 | KayCooper | ...and thanks for the chairs Jorge ;) |
| 15:59 | Owlie Bonesworth (jayleden.miles) | Good --at least you are open to the ideas, Neo...thanks |
| 15:59 | Katie (katie.canningham) | nini Kay! |
| 15:59 | NeoBokrug Elytis | Always open to ideas, but once in a blue moon I'll say no to something. |
| 15:59 | Zahra Ethaniel | Take care Kay |
| 15:59 | Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter) | Granted, I tend to be more concerned about Oxbridge part of Caledon |
| 15:59 | NeoBokrug Elytis | I love to make games in SL, it is my passion. |